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It Finally Happened!

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Ryan_m_b
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Jun28-11, 05:41 AM
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Clearly someone thought The Emperor's New Clothes was a business model.
Singham
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Jun28-11, 08:15 AM
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This reminds me of the Laurel and Hardy episode Oliver The Eighth. LOL.
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Jun28-11, 12:56 PM
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Quote Quote by russ_watters View Post
Imagine a statue of me naked. Now pay me $50.
Okay, here's your 50 bucks.


Now give me 300 bucks or I sue your for damages (to my imaginary retinas).
Evo
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Jun28-11, 12:58 PM
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How do they know it the art gets stolen?
zoobyshoe
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Jun28-11, 01:04 PM
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How do they know it the art gets stolen?
Yeah. How do you insure it?
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Jun28-11, 02:55 PM
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I have imagined that I found a truly marvelous proof of the Riemann hypothesis. So I'll be claiming my $1000000 prize soon!
Evo
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Jun28-11, 02:56 PM
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Why is it that these imaginary artists don't accept imaginary money?
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Jun28-11, 04:12 PM
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Russ's statue sounds a lot like the pulsed IR laser we have in our lab: it's invisible and if you look directly at it you WILL go blind....


russ_watters
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Jun29-11, 12:09 PM
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Thats irrelevant: 9/11 generated discussion too, but that doesn't make it art either.
Ryan_m_b
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Jun29-11, 12:12 PM
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It garnered interest suffice to start a thread and also discuss categorisation. I don't know, has art you do agree with motivated you to start many threads on it and why it is art?
The fact that foolish things are complained about/ridiculed is not a testament to their value!
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Jun30-11, 06:11 AM
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The fact that foolish things are complained about/ridiculed is not a testament to their value!
I didn’t use the term “value”. I said “interest”, and complete disinterest wouldn’t result in the starting of a thread expressing aesthetic determinations, be they complaints/ridicule or not.

Should someone place value in challenging, or inciting discussion of, artistic perimeters, then wouldn't this be testament to some success?
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Jun30-11, 06:14 AM
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Quote Quote by fuzzyfelt View Post
I didn’t use the term “value”. I said “interest”, and complete disinterest wouldn’t result in the starting of a thread expressing aesthetic determinations, be they complaints/ridicule or not.

Should someone place value in challenging, or inciting discussion of, artistic perimeters, then wouldn't this be testament to some success?
I don't know that ridicule can be considered success, unless your goal was to be dismissed as utterly ludicrous.
Ryan_m_b
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Jun30-11, 06:34 AM
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Quote Quote by fuzzyfelt View Post
I didn’t use the term “value”. I said “interest”, and complete disinterest wouldn’t result in the starting of a thread expressing aesthetic determinations, be they complaints/ridicule or not.

Should someone place value in challenging, or inciting discussion of, artistic perimeters, then wouldn't this be testament to some success?
I'm not going to get bogged down in the meaning of art and if provoking conversation confirms the artyness of an act.

Whether generating discussion (ignoring the content of said discussion) is "success" depends on the metric by which success is measured. If we measure success as generating discussion then yes, MONA has generated discussion and so by that measure is a "success".

Taking it as a whole though attracting a great amount of ridicule, negative criticism and derision is not an indication of success, I'm going to have to disagree with P.T. Barnum's axiom that "all publicity is good publicity" and side with his far more sensible statement of "there's a sucker born every minute"
Ryan_m_b
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Jun30-11, 07:36 AM
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Quote Quote by fuzzyfelt View Post
Thanks for mentioning his name, I timed out trying remember!

Regardless, there is precedence in art originally dismissed as non-art or ludicrous eventually being taken more seriously. I doubt that would happen if it wasn't discussed.
And there's a precedence for art being crap and remaining crap. This is nothing good, nor particularly boundary pushing, this is just an example of anti-art (or considering the rise of anti-art to art status it's anti-anti-art).

An example of this would be exceedingly long films which show nothing happening or just somebody sleeping. It's different yes but we can all talk about it by setting a series of metrics by which to measure by and decide that as avant-garde as this is meant to be, it remains crap.
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Jun30-11, 08:08 AM
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You guys can start another thread on this, russ's purpose was to show how stupid some things are, not to start a conversation on whether the nonsense means anything to anyone in anyway, so let's not derail the thread.
Ryan_m_b
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Jun30-11, 08:10 AM
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Quote Quote by fuzzyfelt View Post
Would anti-anti-art be art? :) What series of metrics do you mean?
Lol, defying art is infinitely recursive? Makes sense. By metrics I mean the measures by which we judge this act/concept to be good, off of the top of my head that could include but not be limited to;

How original is the idea?
What benefit does this idea have on the people who view it?
What does this art add to society?
Do I find this concept aesthetically pleasing?
How technical is the implementation of this concept?
What is the creators purpose (i.e to push boundaries or to make a buck)?
Is this art satirical or taking the piss?

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You guys can start another thread on this, russ's purpose was to show how stupid some things are, not to start a conversation on whether the nonsense means anything to anyone in anyway, so let's not derail the thread.
Sorry Evo I was writing as you posted!
Evo
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Jun30-11, 08:14 AM
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Zooby and Fuzzy, I moved your discussion here - http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=510881
zoobyshoe
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Jun30-11, 08:21 AM
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Quote Quote by Evo View Post
Zooby and Fuzzy, I moved you discussion here - http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=510881
I'm not discussing anything with, or along with, fuzzyfelt here. My last post was a response to yours.


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