To prove this equation can exist or not hmm

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The discussion revolves around the existence of a function F(x) that satisfies specific conditions regarding its first and second derivatives: f'(-1) = 1/2, f'(0) = 0, and f''(x) > 0 for all x. Participants explore whether such a function can exist and the implications of the given conditions.

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  • One participant argues that no equation can satisfy the conditions due to the requirement for the second derivative to be positive, suggesting that it must be a polynomial with positive coefficients.
  • Another participant counters that not all functions are polynomials and provides an example of a polynomial that is concave up everywhere while having negative coefficients.
  • A third participant rephrases the problem, suggesting that it can be interpreted as finding a function whose derivative is always positive, raising questions about the implications for the function itself.
  • Another participant encourages visualizing the behavior of the function, noting that if the slope is positive at -1 and zero at 0, it raises questions about the function's concavity.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of functions that can satisfy the given conditions, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

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There are limitations in the assumptions made about the form of the function, particularly regarding the necessity of polynomial characteristics and the implications of the second derivative being positive.

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The question is : Find an F(x) where fprime(-1) = 1/2 , fprime(0) = 0 and fdoubleprime>0 if it doesn't exist prove why.

I cannnot explain it that well but here i go, i feel there is no equation that can be made for this. For an equation for be concave up on all intervals it must be in the form Ax^multipleof2 + B^multipleof2 + C^multipleof2 + etc etc etc... + Dx + E, where A and B and C... are positive constants I say this because f double prime will onyl be positive for all x if the second dirivitive has only positive constants or terms of x^multipleof2. Then the first dirivitive will leave you with x^odd number + a constant, f(-1) must be equal to 1/2, so it must be positive since x^oddnumber will be negative. but then when it says fprime(0) = 0 this cannot be because you will have 0^oddnubmer + constant.

blah that's as far as i could take it I am not sure if it makes sense.. but can someone help me on the correct path.
 
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-not all functions are polynomials
-a polynomial can be concave up everywhere and still have negative coefficients or odd powers, [itex]x^{2}-x-1[/itex] does all this
-latex is a beautiful thing and will make your posts legible with little effort, see https://www.physicsforums.com/misc/howtolatex.pdf

For your question, if [itex]f''(x)>0[/itex] for all [itex]x[/itex] what can you say about [itex]f'(x)[/itex]? Is it increasing? Decreasing? Neither?
 
Since f'' is just the derivative of f', this exactly the same as:

"Does there exist a function f, whose derivative is always positive, such that f(-1)= 1/2 and f(0)= 0". Since f ' is always positive, what does that tell you about f?
 
I think HallsofIvy meant to put primes in front of those f's, but anyway... :)

Think of it like this: The slope of a function is positive at -1, then it turns to zero at 0. Draw that out. What would a function like that look like? Increasing then not. So does this mean f can be concave up for all x?
 

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