Why Does My Calculated Tangent Line Not Touch the Curve at the Given Point?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of a tangent line to a curve defined by the function u = (6 + 2x^2)^3 at the point (1, 512). Participants are examining the derivative and the conditions under which the tangent line intersects the curve.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about their calculations and requests corrections, particularly regarding the derivative and the tangent line.
  • Another participant points out a mistake in the algebraic manipulation involving the derivative, suggesting that the derivative should include an x^5 term.
  • A different participant emphasizes the need for clarity in the algebraic steps and highlights an error in the manipulation of terms.
  • One participant later provides a corrected derivative calculation, suggesting that the correct tangent line should be y = 768(x-1) + 512, indicating that the original tangent line does intersect the curve but is not tangent due to an incorrect derivative.
  • Another participant mentions that their graphing calculator does not yield the same results as those discussed, introducing further uncertainty.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct derivative or the nature of the tangent line. There are competing views on the calculations and the implications of the results.

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There are unresolved issues regarding the accuracy of the derivative calculations and the algebraic manipulations involved. The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding and interpretation of the mathematical concepts.

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Individuals interested in calculus, particularly those studying derivatives and tangent lines, may find the discussion relevant.

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Hi. I can't get what I'm doing wrong here. If somebody points that out, I'm really gratefull.

[tex]u = (6 + 2x^2)^3[/tex]
[tex]d(u) = 3(6+2x^2)^2 d(6+2x^2)=3(6+2x^2)^2 d(6) + d(2x^2) <br /> = [3(6+2x^2)^2 * 0 + 4x]dx = 4xdx[/tex]
Then I want to draw a tangent on the point, which acctually lies on the line(!), (1, 512) to check the derivative.
[tex]l(x)=f'(a)(x-a)+b=4(x-1)+512=4x+508[/tex] Which don't intersect the curve at (1, 512)...

Please correct every misstake I've made. Yes, they could be many; I'm not so good on this stuff. :biggrin:
 
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You've forgotten that there is a bracket around 6+2x^3 in the second line of the maths.

You've misspelled mistake too. And who said irony is dead?

Anyway, du/dx is not 4x as should be obvious to you (u if you multiplied it out would have an x^6 term in it and hence du/dx must have an x^5 term in it.
 
Hmm. I'm sorry, but I don't get it. Can you please be a little more specific. This stuff is doing me crazy!
 
Go through the second line of maths look how you write, in effect:

A(B+C) = AB + C.

when you go "across" the second equals sign in the line, ie from

[tex](6+2x^2)^2 d(6+2x^2)=3(6+2x^2)^2 d(6) + d(2x^2)[/tex]

they aren't equal. Your algebraic manipulation is wrong.
 
Ahh! Thanks! That should I've noticed...
[tex]d(y)=3[(x^2+5)^2][d(x^2+5)]=3[(x^2+5)^2][d(x^2)+d(5)] = 3[(x^2+5)^2]2x=6x(x^2+5)^2[/tex]
 
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danne89 said:
Hi. I can't get what I'm doing wrong here. If somebody points that out, I'm really gratefull.

[tex]u = (6 + 2x^2)^3[/tex]
[tex]d(u) = 3(6+2x^2)^2 d(6+2x^2)=3(6+2x^2)^2 d(6) + d(2x^2)[/tex]
Should be
[tex]d(u)= 3(6+2x^2)^2 d(6+2x^2)= 3(6+2x^2)^2[d(6)+ d(2x^2)][/tex]
[tex]d(u)= 3(6+2x^2)^2[0+ 4xdx]= 12x(6+2x^2)^2dx[/tex].

Then I want to draw a tangent on the point, which acctually lies on the line(!), (1, 512) to check the derivative.
[tex]l(x)=f'(a)(x-a)+b=4(x-1)+512=4x+508[/tex] Which don't intersect the curve at (1, 512)...

Please correct every misstake I've made. Yes, they could be many; I'm not so good on this stuff. :biggrin:
What you give: l(x)= 4x+ 508 certainly does intersect the curve at (1, 512): l(1)= 4+ 508= 512. It just isn't tangent to the curve because your f'(1) is incorrect.

When x= 1, du/dx= 12(1)(8)2= 768.
The tangent line should be y= 768(x-1)+ 512= 768x- 256.

That works nicely. (Aren't graphing calculators wonderful!)
 
HallsofIvy said:
What you give: l(x)= 4x+ 508 certainly does intersect the curve at (1, 512): l(1)= 4+ 508= 512. It just isn't tangent to the curve because your f'(1) is incorrect.

When x= 1, du/dx= 12(1)(8)2= 768.
The tangent line should be y= 768(x-1)+ 512= 768x- 256.

That works nicely. (Aren't graphing calculators wonderful!)
Mine doesn't give me that though.
 

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