Polarization Problem: Estimating Voltage Needed to Ionize Hydrogen Atom

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The discussion centers on estimating the voltage needed to ionize a hydrogen atom situated between two metal plates connected to a 500V battery. Participants explore the implications of the electric field generated by the battery and its potential to cause polarization and ionization of the atom.

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  • One participant notes the configuration of a hydrogen atom between two plates and seeks to understand the relationship between the battery voltage and the electric field.
  • Another participant provides the formula for the electric field in a parallel plate capacitor, calculating it to be ##E=5\times 10^5~ \mathrm{V/m}## based on the given voltage and plate separation.
  • A third participant introduces context regarding plasma lamps, suggesting that while kilovolts are typically needed to establish an electric arc in a gas, the ionization voltage for hydrogen is 13.6 volts, raising questions about the effectiveness of 500 volts over 1 mm in ionizing hydrogen.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and provide different insights, but no consensus is reached on whether 500 volts is sufficient to ionize the hydrogen atom. The discussion remains open with competing views on the necessary voltage for ionization.

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The discussion does not resolve the assumptions regarding the ionization process, the specific conditions under which ionization occurs, or the implications of the electric field strength in this context.

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a hydrogen atom (with radius of one half angstrom) is situated between two metal plates, 1mm apart, which are connected to opposite terminals of a 500V battery. What fraction of the atomic radius does the separation distance d amount to, roughly? Estimate the voltage needed to ionize the atom.

I understand that the battery will induce an electric field between the plates, which will cause the atom to become polarized. If this field is strong enough, then the electrons will be ripped from their orbits. What I don't know is how to go from the 500V to the electric field.

someone shed some light on this, please :)
 
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For a parallel plate capacitor, the electric field ##E## in terms of the plate separation ##d## and the potential difference ##V## between plates is given by ##E=\frac{V}{d}##. Here, ##E=5\times 10^5~ \mathrm{V/m}##.
 
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Some additional introductory material might be in order here: With plasma lamps, generally, it takes a voltage on the order of kilovolts to get an electric arc established in a gas, but once that occurs, the voltage necessary to maintain that arc is just slightly above the ionization voltage, which in this case is 13.6 volts. It will be interesting to see if the calculations show that 500 volts over a distance 1 mm might be able to ionize hydrogen.
 
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Good point and thanks for the follow up.
 
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