Proving the Existence of Fixed Points in Monotone Increasing Functions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around proving the existence of fixed points in monotone increasing functions, particularly focusing on the implications of the function's derivative being greater than or equal to 2. Participants explore various mathematical approaches, including the Mean Value Theorem and the Intermediate Value Theorem, to establish the conditions under which a fixed point exists.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the existence of a fixed point is linked to the derivative of the function, specifically that if f'(x) ≥ 2, then a fixed point must exist.
  • Another participant proposes that if f is continuous on R, contradictions can be derived from assuming f(x) > x for all x or f(x) < x, leading to the application of the Intermediate Value Theorem.
  • A third participant introduces the function g(x) = f(x) - x and argues that proving g(x) = 0 has a solution is essential, noting that g'(x) ≥ 1 implies certain properties about g over intervals of successive integers.
  • Concerns are raised about a specific step in the proof regarding the implications of g(0) = c > 0 and the behavior of g at negative values, indicating a need for clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various approaches and reasoning, but there is no consensus on the proof or the specific steps involved. Some participants agree on the use of theorems like the Mean Value Theorem and Intermediate Value Theorem, while others seek clarification on certain arguments.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made about the function's continuity and the implications of the derivative's constraints. The discussion includes varying interpretations of the steps in the proof, particularly concerning the behavior of g(x) at specific points.

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I'm trying to work out how an existence of a fixed point is linked to the constraint on the differential of that function.

For example, i need to prove f has a fixed point if f'(x)=>2.

I understand that what I have is a monotone increasing function so it is 1-1. All the fixed points are on the line f(x) = x. So conceptually it must be true that these two lines should intersect somewhere, but I can't prove this rigorously.

I have a feeling I should be using the Mean Value Theorem ( f(b) - f(a)) = f'(c)(b-a) but can't get much further than that.
 
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You want to prove that there is some c such that f(c) = c. f is continuous on R (I'm guessing). Now you should be able to prove that there are contradictions if f(x) > x for all x, or f(x) < x. Then, by intermediate value theorem, you should be able to finish the proof.
 
let g(x) = f(x) - x. then you want to prove that g(x) = 0 has a solution for some x.

But you, know that g'(x) >= 1, so for every pair of successive integers a = n,b = n+1, it follows from MVT that g(b)-g(a) >= 1. Do you see why?

Hence if g(0) = c>0 say, and n < a < n+1, then g(-n-1) < 0. Do you see why?

then since g is differentiable it is also contrinuous, and has both a negative value and a positive value, hence is somewhere zero.

similar arguments work for g(0) = c<0.
 
I was reading through that proof, and I did not understand how

"Hence if g(0) = c>0 say, and n < a < n+1, then g(-n-1) < 0" this step came to be?
thanx
 

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