Breivik - Who made him do it?

apeiron

Yes, but I thought the guideline here was that they also have to be adequately sourced. Glad to be corrected on this and will remember that for future reference.

In the meantime, I refer you back to my post #24 where I did take a social constructionist perspective on Breivik's "insanity".

Gang culture, and underclasses everywhere, are clearly the result of social conditions. They would not exist unless there was a context that could produce them.

The standard sociological analysis would start with conditions such as extreme social inequality, free access to lethal weapons, drug laws based on prohibition rather than public health, fragmentation of family ties, etc, etc.

You would be right that gang culture in the US can't be fixed unless US society as a whole is willing to make change. If that is all you are saying, then of course I agree.

Willowz

So... When is the trial taking place?

hbjon

[QUOTE=Drakkith;3427955]Do you think that someone must be insane to commit horrible acts? ANYONE can do terrible things if they convince themselves that it is the RIGHT decision. If my neighbor is known to be abusing his children does that give me the right to murder him? No! Is it the right thing to do? I bet many would say yes.[/QUOTE

There is something illogical about what they are telling us about Breivik's motives. It seems the whole story is another variation of the evil white supremicist skinhead that went on a rampage because a member of another race stole his girlfriend. I mean, doesn't it seem like the media uses the same fictional story as a guide to start with? Then, changes it gradually as anomollies contradict the facts previously given? The people he set out to kill were his countrymen and women. Hmmmmmm. How can we make that fit into the paradigm? Inject emotion and psychology? Immho, the man was weaponized by a large cult or militia. And I would not rule out the use of hypnotic drugs. According to some disciplines in medicine and human behaviour, the only things that cause insanity are neurotoxins that pass through the blood/brain membrane (a protective barrier). Under normal hypnosis, a person can't be made to do something that is that morally wrong. However, there are a few (unless's) that should be inserted here if I wanted to be long winded. Let us just hope the competent authorities have researched all possibilities.

Evo

No, opinions do not need citations, only if it is stated as fact. I forgot the Imo, you questioned me and I corrected my statement to be merely opinion.

and then you told me

That is a violation of the guidelines, but I'm going to let it go.

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=113181

apeiron

More crazy unsupported nonsense. But I guess this is the internet.

Evo

Now this is where the "overly speculative/personal theory rule comes into play.

apeiron

Judge and jury as usual.

If you check what you wrote, you said this. Gangsters are the result of societal failure. Fixing that failure is impossible.

If you don't feel capable of developing that thought further, given its relevance to the OP, then fine. Yes, we'll just have to call it your "opinion".

Evo

Do you seriously want to do a battle of "and you don't think this is my personal opinion?" In the words of WhoWee, Imo. Judge and jury huh, because you asked for the guidelines and I gave them to you? Ok, I'll retract my opinion and give you that infraction, will that make you happy?

You seriously need to chill out. I cut people slack all of the time, if I didn't, we wouldn't have any posters in P&WA.

You made false accusations against me, you made snide remarks, and I have taken no action against you. Yeah, I'm horrible.

Also in our guidelines

Have you read the guidelines?

Can we get back on topic now?

hbjon

What exactly do you disagree with? Obviously you feel offended by these statements? At the very least, you feel uncomfortable by the information. Perhaps you have information that is different or maybe you can correct the statement by a fact of your own? If your the wisest person on the internet, there is still some things that you can gleen from even the craziest of information. Please excuse my spelling as I have no software that corrects me.

Willowz

I'm not too sure about the topic now. There has been a lot of speculation made (by me and others). Just waiting for the trial. I hope this doesn't appear like some "OJ Simpson" sickish entertainment. Maybe it is... *wonders*

Evo

As long as there is nothing more spine tingling to report, it will be, unfortunately.

I'm afraid that this atrocity will soon be replaced in the news by something else.

Willowz

Well the report is in on Breivik; he is officially insane.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-15936276

Ryan_m_b

There is a thread for discussing this new development.
http://physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=555011

shashankac655

How can democracy and religious extremism go together?
They are exact opposites of each other.
a true Democracy respects all religions,cultures.

He is an extreme case of brainwashing by right wing groups ,he has been made to get paranoid about Islam ,people can't become like that overnight ,i think he has been under bad influence from a very long time.

Right wing groups are present in all the countries ,they try to attract young teenage minds and brainwash them but they differ from country to country .

MarcoD

I agree with the democracy part.

The silly thing is that I think, even partly know, that it is the result of the Internet. I've been looking around on some of the right wing sites, and -apart from that most of them are just megalomaniac idiots- it's easy to see how someone with a gullible mind can fall for it. Those sites are just cocomanias of distorted representations of facts and world views. So you have some idiot sitting at home playing counterstrike -or whatever,- training with guns, already into a nutcase environment with free masons, while buying into the megalomaniac Internet paranoid plots and in full solitude developing his own theories of how the world works.

I know the police is baffled, but his ideas are mostly copycatted from whatever is out there on the Internet. He's not even the only knight's templar around, there are more of them.

They guy is a lunatic somewhere, but I don't buy into the paranoid schizo part. To be honest, to me it feels more akin to whatever drives football hooligans again driven to an extreme: just people who have their heads filled with idiocy.