Bush Regime Helps Palestine?

omin

Bush now wants to invest a huge amount of capital in Palestine. Should the Palestinians look the Forth Horsemans horse in the mouth?

While Bush regime murders the Iraqis, he says he wants to help the Palestinians. This is the epitome of what we call hypocrisy.

This political move will not have as many beneficial effects as it will negative for the following reasons:

1. Palestinians view the US occupation of Iraq simililar, but worse, than Israeli occupation. Bush regime murders the Palestines brothers and sisters in Iraq, nearly next door, and the murdering regime wants to treat them to some capital. This capital will surely be seen as blood money, under the present circumstances.

2. A large percentage of Israelis will obviously dissagree, because this help will be seen by them to be an opportunity to transform this capital into military forms and political capital against them. It has a higher probability to be transformed this way because of the present circumstances.

3. The US owes investments that will lead to peace between Palestine/Israel dispute, but this attempt is based upon Bush regime desperation due the murders of Iraqi civilians in Iraq rather than promoted through good faith. The investment and energy will be applied with bad timing (Bush in office and Bush in Iraq), and therefore a failure. This will serve as a basis not to invest in peace in following years in the Palestine/Israeli situation. It will be looked back upon as a very large investment that failed, and will be blamed on the attitudes of the people in the circumstance rather than the ignorant regime who applied it.

The solution: Leave Iraq, then invest capital in helping the Palestinians and Israelis work on settling things. This way the responsiblity the US does owe to the situation would be not displaying a hypocritical attitude which will surely put both sides at an exageratted and/or prolonged disadvantage toward peace.

If the Palestinians accept Bush, they draw on blood money, their Iraqi brothers and sisters who are being murdered by Bush.

phatmonky

1>The allies single handidly killed 650,000 civilians in German bombings after D-day, mostly women, children, and old men (young men were already on the front lines).

Europe was freed, the holocaust ended, and unheard of peace in Europe established- was that too the "epitome of what we call hypocrisy"??

2>Your logic is flawed in that you only use your reasoning to say that Iraq proceeds are blood money, however you then discount the same actions in other middle easter countries so long as money comes to Palestine. Is your real goal just to demonize the war in Iraq? By your own logic, I can see no other goal.

Political Prodigy

I just posted in the "arab coalition" topic something about the US helping Palestine in a way besides money. You can read about Palestine asking for help from the USA on the elections here

phatmonky

This is a serious turning point. I can only hope things go well. I do wonder how a crack down on the Palestinian terrorists will be receieved - it is a required part of us working with Palestine to create a state.

omin

phatmonkey,

Are you saying that...
The Killing of 650,000 civilians...
caused the ending of the holocaust and creating freedom of Europe?

I'm a bit confused how you relate killing civilians with winning the second world war? Would you clarify how this works? I'm under the impression that obstructing energy from Germany was the reason why Germany did not win, rather than mutilation of Germany's civilians. Without energy, Germany could not fuel a war.

If Palestine cooperates with Bush regime who murders Iraqis and steal their resources without trade they show a significant percentage of approval of Bush regimes actions most relevant to their part of the world. It would be hypocritical of them to accept Bush's company in their government at this time especially or any time based upon the magnitude of Bushs murderous and anti-diplomatic error toward Arabs. Getting in bed with Bush would make Palestinian leaders a sure target, which would play into Bush regimes anti-semitic Arab theory. Palestine should want be seen as betrayers of their own. They need to be patient, look to fellow Arabs for investments, and competent American leadership in four years from now, we hope.

I do not have a necessity or a desire to demonize the war. The murderous actions speak for themselves and therefore demonize themselves without any effort on my part. I simply do not submit to the smattering words that Bush regime puts in their so-called reports and theories, which have the effect of patriotizing murder and anti-semitism, dimishing atrocity or hiding an accurate account of evil deeds the military is commanded to do. I'll call it what it is.

Gokul43201

omin, you can not avoid collateral damage in a war. But that does not mean you should avoid war itself (as in above example).

You think it's better to have a million Iraqis killed by Saddam, rather than a much smaller number killed as a result of the war ? Perhaps you'd suggest that Saddam Hussein be released and reinstated in power ?

If rhetoric is all that sells here, perhaps we should all cast off our objective skins and join in the mud-slinging.

Gokul43201

The US is evil if it gives money to Israel, and it's a hypocrit if it gives money to Palestine...tut, tut.

Smurf

The US isn't evil or hipocritical, it's just misunderstood. You see American Foreign Policy is based around a capitalist ideal of Might = Right and we want your money. They will do whatever they need to move profits out of the rest of the world and into Continental USA.

Smurf

rhet·o·ric ( P )(rtr-k)
n.

The art or study of using language effectively and persuasively.
A treatise or book discussing this art.
Skill in using language effectively and persuasively.

A style of speaking or writing, especially the language of a particular subject: fiery political rhetoric.
Language that is elaborate, pretentious, insincere, or intellectually vacuous: His offers of compromise were mere rhetoric.
Verbal communication; discourse.

Gokul43201

If you are not sure which connotation I had in mind, it's #5.

Surely, it didn't seem like I was saying that omin's posts had Dickensian style, did it ?

russ_watters

"Hyperbole" is another useful word...

kat

Sometimes I think the word "poop" is far more accurate.

GENIERE

I may be wrong but I believe President Bush was referring to the worldwide prestige and influence of the US, not capital in the monetary sense.

vanesch

Now if only you would have done that (help creating a Palestinian state ; I'm pretty sure the "terrorist menace" would seriously have gone down) instead of going into Iraq...

phatmonky

You've got your cause and effect backwards.

We can't create a Palestinian state without the Palestinians showing a crackdown on the terrorist so we can reign in Israel.

Going into Iraq (or afghanistan) doesn't prevent us from workong on a peace agreement between Israel and Palestine.

vanesch

It does. You have no moral authority left with the Palestinians.