Question about the Many Worlds Interpretation

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The discussion revolves around the Many Worlds Interpretation (MWI) of quantum mechanics and its implications for the laws of thermodynamics, particularly concerning entropy. Participants explore thought experiments and theoretical implications related to the separation of gases and the nature of physical laws across different universes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a thought experiment involving a gas mixture and suggests that the MWI implies a decrease in entropy in some universes, which seems to contradict the laws of thermodynamics.
  • Another participant questions the assumption that the laws of physics in other universes are the same as in our own, implying that this could affect the validity of the MWI.
  • A different participant argues that the same result regarding gas separation can be derived from classical statistical mechanics, noting that while the probability of such an event is low, it is not zero, and this does not necessarily contradict thermodynamic laws.
  • One participant emphasizes that if the laws of physics differ in other universes, the MWI may lose its meaning, suggesting a potential limitation of the interpretation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the Many Worlds Interpretation for thermodynamics and the nature of physical laws in other universes. There is no consensus on whether the MWI contradicts thermodynamic principles or the uniformity of physical laws across universes.

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The discussion highlights assumptions regarding the nature of physical laws in different universes and the applicability of statistical mechanics to the thought experiment presented. The relationship between quantum mechanics and classical thermodynamics remains unresolved.

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I was learning about the "Many Worlds" interpretation of QM, and it got me to thinking. In some ways, doesn't it contradict the laws of thermodynamics? I came up with the following thought experiment:

Suppose that you had a gas containing nitrogen and oxygen in a homogeneous mixture, in a container separated by a porous membrane. Now, I'm assuming that in each collision, the final positions and velocities of each molecule is at least somewhat determined by the instantaneous position of the molecules' electrons at the time of the collision. That means that there is a slight (nearly infinitesmal) possibility that all of the nitrogen will end up on one half of the membrane, and that all of the oxygen will end up on the other half. Now, since the probability is not zero, according to the Many Worlds interpretation of QM, there are at least a handful of universes in which this will indeed happen. Therefore, this means that the entropy of those universes has in fact decreased. Now, I was under the impression that the laws of physics of the every universe would be the same, and as a result, the entropy should not ever decrease. Isn't this an inherent contradiction?
 
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Whose to say that the laws of physics in other universes are the same as ours?
 
QuantumDefect said:
Whose to say that the laws of physics in other universes are the same as ours?

Well you don't have to go onto the QM MWI to get the same result. With statistical classical mechanics you also have a non null probability (finite number of particles) to get the 2 gas separated again. It only takes a huge time to recover this configuration >> age of universe, a lot of work has been done on that subject -eg poincare theorem, poincare paradox, ergodism hypothesis ...) . This probability is very low for a finite time.

Now, for all experiments with a finite time, you can approximate this probability as a zero probability or you can consider the time to get such a configuration to be infinite (you cannot detect the infinitesimal differences). Therefore you can say that "entropy" works fall all experiments with a finite time (ie all the "laws" work within their domain of application). MWI does not change this fact.

Seratend.
 
QuantumDefect said:
Whose to say that the laws of physics in other universes are the same as ours?

Well, if not, then the "many worlds" interpretation becomes meaningless.
 

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