Enthelpy of Combustion for Magnesium

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around calculating the change in enthalpy per mole of magnesium during its reaction with hydrochloric acid (HCl). Participants explore the methodology for determining enthalpy change using experimental data, specifically focusing on temperature change, mass of magnesium, and volume of HCl solution. The context includes experimental design considerations and the use of specific heat capacities.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the formula Q=mcΔt to calculate the enthalpy change, emphasizing that it applies to the entire system and involves heat transfer considerations.
  • Another participant questions the validity of the temperature change measurement if the experiment was not conducted in a bomb calorimeter, suggesting that heat loss to the surroundings could render the data meaningless.
  • A different participant suggests that conducting the experiment in an adiabatic system is ideal to prevent heat loss, and mentions the need to account for the mass of the reaction vessel.
  • Concerns are raised about the specific heat capacity of HCl, with one participant stating they cannot find it in their textbook, while another provides a value of 3.93 Jg-1C-1.
  • Some participants suggest using the specific heat capacity of water instead, noting that the HCl solution is relatively diluted.
  • One participant shares their recent lab experience with 0.5 M HCl, indicating that the majority of the solution is water, while another corrects the concentration of HCl in the solution to approximately 1.8%.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate specific heat capacity to use and the implications of heat loss during the reaction. There is no consensus on the best approach to calculate the enthalpy change, and multiple competing views remain regarding experimental design and calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations related to the assumptions of heat transfer and the need for specific heat values, which may not be readily available. The discussion also highlights the dependence on the experimental setup and the potential for heat loss affecting results.

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I placed some magnesium ribbon in HCl and measured the temperature change. How would i find the change in enthalpy per mole of magnesium in the following reaction:
Mg + 2HCl --> H2 +MgCl2
If i know the following information: change in temperature = 19C
mass of ribbon = 0.5g
volume of HCl = 100mL

I can't use any known values (i.e. like the ones you'd find in a textbook). I must use the experimental values above. However, i can use specific heat capacity values, c, if i must.
 
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[tex]Q=mc\Delta t[/tex]
where Q is the enthalpy change. You cannot just plug numbers into this formula though; remember that it applies to the entire system, and can be used in conjuction with
[tex]\mbox{heat gain}=-\mbox{(heat loss)}[/tex]
How is heat energy transferred in the reaction? (what gains, what loses?)
 
Did you perform that experiment in a "bomb calorimeter" (or a suitable improvised version thereof)? If not, the temperature change is meaningless, because an unknown amount of heat was dissipated to the surroundings.
 
As Pack_rat2 alluded to, ideally one is doing this in an adiabatic system so that heat is not lost to the environment outside the reaction vessel (presumably test tube). One might have to correct of the mass of the reaction vessel as well if it is heated.

From the mass of HCl solution and temperature, one can determine the change in enthalpy of the solution.

Then assuming that all the heat originated from the chemical reaction - one can determine the energy per unit mass or mole of Mg (the other known quantity).
 
But what will i use the specific heat capacity of HCl? I can't find that in my textbook.
 
The Specific heat capacity of HCl (s) is 3.93 Jg-1C-1
 
decamij said:
But what will i use the specific heat capacity of HCl? I can't find that in my textbook.

I suppose reaction was going on in a relatively diluted solution of the acid. If so, use specific heat of water.
 
Yea I would just use the specific heat capacity of water. My class just did this lab the other day. We used 0.5 M HCl and the teacher did some calculations on the board to show us that only about 0.2%(or somewhere around there) of the solution was HCl and the rest was water.
 
Gimpinald said:
We used 0.5 M HCl and the teacher did some calculations on the board to show us that only about 0.2%(or somewhere around there) of the solution was HCl

More like 1.8% (closer to 2 then to 0.2).


 

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