Is There a Continuous Function Satisfying These Conditions?

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The discussion revolves around the existence of a continuous function that satisfies the conditions f(0) = f(1) and f(x) ≠ f(x + 2/5) for all x in the interval [0, 3/5]. Participants explore the implications of these conditions and the challenges in constructing such a function.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that it may be possible to construct such a function by dividing the interval into groups of points that differ by 2/5 and assigning values accordingly.
  • Others argue that there are likely an infinite number of functions that could satisfy the given conditions.
  • It is clarified that the function in question is continuous, which adds complexity to the problem.
  • One participant suggests rewriting the constraint f(x) - f(x + 2/5) to ensure it does not equal zero, indicating a method to approach the problem.
  • Another participant expresses doubt about the existence of such a function, providing reasoning based on the continuity of g(x) = f(x) - f(x + 2/5) and the implications of the intermediate value theorem.

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Participants express differing views on the existence of a continuous function that meets the specified conditions. While some believe it may be possible, others contend that it cannot exist due to the constraints imposed by continuity.

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The discussion highlights the dependence on the continuity of the function and the implications of the conditions set forth. There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding how to incorporate the constraint f(0) = f(1) into the proposed function.

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... f(0)=f(1) but for all x in [0,3/5] f(x) does not equal f(x+2/5) ?
 
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I would say probably yes. Try splitting up the interval into (lots of) groups of points that differ by 2/5 and see if you can assign values to each point.


Now, have you stated the whole question? Is f supposed to be, say, continuous?
 
Surely there are an infinite amount of functions that satisfy those conditions?
 
Function is continuous

Yes, unfortunately, the function is continuous.
 
Well, you want to make sure that f(x) does not equal f(x+2/5)...

A common trick is to rewrite this constraint so that a part of it is constant: you want to make sure that f(x) - f(x+2/5) does not equal 0.
 
so, I've gotten to the point at which g(x) = f(x) - f(x+2/5) does nto equal zero for any x in [0, 3/5]... finding a form for g(x) is not difficult, but the constraint f(0) = f(1), i have no idea how to include it.
 
If f(x) is continuous, I'd say there's no such func. Here's the reason:

1.The simplest case, that f(x) have no zero points in (0,1), so the curve is like bridge. For instance, let f(x)=sin(4*pi*x), and g(x)=f(x)-f(x+2/5), then
g(0)<0, g(3/5)>0, and since g(x) is continuous, there should be at least one zero point in (0,3/5).

2.Then if f(x) have zero points in (0,1), however, the result is the same. Suppose f(x)=sin(2*pi*x), and in part of (0,1)--in this case, (0,1/2),we can find zero points in (0,1/2-2/5), the reason is the same as in case 1.
 
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