Effect of Solar Storms on the Grid and Nuke Plants?

jim hardy

you should hear the outcry when weather bureau misses a hurricane forecast and businesses lose revenue !

first false alarm there'd be armies of tort lawyers on the utility companies.

al2207

you can foreseen what will be immense disaster from grid destruction , most running tap water is produce by treatment station , quantity of NPP will goes as Fukushima , most of cities population will be dying , we are so much dependent of electricity , it will take years to restore power and replace transformer

RealWing

Some Canadian Nucs have been uniquely designed to have the capability to continue to operate after a grid disconnection/upset. At the moment of loss of grid, they immediately "step back" to ~ 75%FP . The tubine/generator continues to supply internal power and the remaining steam energy is dumped directly into the condenser. After the 2003 blackout, 4 CANDU reactors stayed operational and were a big factor in helping get the Ontario grid back in operation.

al2207

were they located at Bruce power ?

RealWing

Three units at Bruce and one at Darlington survived the grid upset and stabilized at ~ 60% FP awaiting approval to resync with the grid.

al2207

i do not know if this was tried at point lepreau or gentilly they are Candu as well
at Gentilly GE had build back-up power with 2 or 3 jet turbine to supply NPP if needed

RealWing

Pt Lepreau and Gentilly II both have this capability of high power condenser dump. They are a "CANDU 6" design and the same design is used in the export reactors in China, Romania, South Korea and Argentina.
Gentilly is somewhat unique in that there is a 382 MW gas turbine plant built beside it that is used for grid peaking as well as a backup power source for G2. There are 4, 82Mwe GE gas turbines there.

al2207

i had gone to both place in regard with motor control centers (Klockner Moeller )

matthewdb

The CANDU design can stay in operation after a grid disconnect. They stay at high power at first to avoid problems with Xenon instability. The generator is only making enough power to meet the needs of the auxiliaries and the rest of the thermal energy is dumped into the condenser by steam bypass valves. If left disconnected for long enough they would eventually make it to 5% reactor power as the Xenon levels in the fuel dropped.

All current US plants trip the reactor on a loss of grid. The GE BWR plants could very easily be made to operate like the CANDU units but it would require extensive regulatory changes. At PWR plants there would have to be some level of modifications to the plants to let it happen.

The new plants being built in the US can continue to operate after a loss of grid (Westinghouse AP1000).

jim hardy

""All current US plants trip the reactor on a loss of grid. ""

a true enough statement in practice, though by design some of them could island.

something called "degraded grid protection" might automatically cause a plant to trip on loss of grid if not implemented thoughtfully.
or if it relies on grid for its internal power...

if the plant is supplying its own power and the control system handles the transient as described for the Candu, there's no reason my old plant couldn't "island".
Internal power was tapped right off main generator, before it went out to grid, for that reason.

Caniche

But that would hit profits and bonuses and dividends ,risky.

al2207

yes there will be some impacts but what is consequence to do nothing ?

al2207

large CME from sun today , expected disturbance by Saturday

Dotini

It's only an M class. Here's a chart of ground current detected at Norway.
http://spaceweather.com/submissions/...1327226723.jpg

al2207

second punch , one more solar flare cat M8 effect S3 supposed to touch us tomorrow Jan 24

Dotini

Often these CME's take 2-3 days to reach us. This one has apparently accelerated to Earth in under 32 hours, a little slower than expected. The magnetosphere was compressed and satellites briefly exposed to solar wind plasma.

Respectfully submitted,
Steve

al2207

solar flare will be most destructive forces in future years
look at: ed dames predictions