Strong interaction and isospin

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The discussion revolves around the dependence of the strong interaction on isospin, specifically focusing on the term (tau_i dot tau_j) in the context of nuclear potentials. Participants explore the implications of isospin in the interactions between nucleons, including protons and neutrons, and how this relates to the invariance of the strong force.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the meaning of (tau_i dot tau_j) and its relevance in the context of strong interactions, questioning why it is included instead of simply using tau_z terms.
  • Another participant explains that (tau_i dot tau_j) represents the product of two isospin operators and relates to charge independence, suggesting that it allows for consideration of isospin without focusing on specific projections.
  • A later reply clarifies that isospin values of 1/2 and -1/2 correspond to protons and neutrons, respectively, indicating a basic understanding of isospin as a quantum number.
  • One participant notes that the strong force is invariant under changes in isospin, emphasizing that the interaction remains consistent regardless of whether the isospin is up or down.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the basic definitions and roles of isospin in the strong interaction, but there is some uncertainty and lack of consensus regarding the implications of the (tau_i dot tau_j) term and its necessity in the potential formulation.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention experimental data related to nuclear interactions, such as mirror or isobar nuclei, but the discussion does not resolve the specific mathematical or conceptual uncertainties surrounding the isospin dependence in strong interactions.

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I have a problem in understanding the dependence by isospin of strong interaction.
In this potential one have a lot of operatorial terms which include central, spin-spin, tensor force, spin-orbit terms, and all this four terms multiply by a factor isospin-dependent (tau_i dot tau_j).
I don't understand the last term.
What does it mean (tau_i dot tau_j)? If I have two nucleon, they can have tau_z=1/2 or -1/2. Dot product involves tau_x, tau_y and tau_z and why there are a dependence of other coordinates?
Because strong interaction is invariant for a system composed by neutron-neutron or proton-proton, one would have the same interaction if tau_iz=tau_jz=1/2 (proton-proton) or tau_iz=tau_jz=-1/2 (neutron-neutron). So I don't understand why strong interaction contains (tau_i dot tau_j) terms, instead (tau_zi tau_zj).

Thanks a lot.
 
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Hello !

I will try to help you a bit, but i am not really sure of that.

The [tex]\tau_{i} \cdot \tau_{j}[/tex] is the product of two operators, and it's equal to :

[tex]\frac{1}{2} \left((\tau_{i} +\tau_{j})^{2} - (\tau_{i})^{2} - (\tau_{j})^{2}\right)[/tex]

Each term of your potential appears once multiplied by 1, et once multiplied by [tex]\tau_{i} \cdot \tau_{j}[/tex]. It permits to satisify the "charge independence". Under this form, you don't care about the isospin projections, but only of the quantum number of isospin (which is 1/2 for a nucleon).

Another thing, the nuclear potential should be +/- the same for p-p, n-n and n-p. In fact, n-p is a bit different from p-p or n-n, but not much (see experimental datas for "miror" or "isobare" nuclei for example)

Remark : you may sometimes have a [tex]Q_{12}[/tex] term in your nuclear potential (quadratic correction), with [tex]Q_{12} = 2 \left[(s_{1} \cdot L) (s_{2} \cdot L) + (s_{2} \cdot L) (s_{1} \cdot L)\right][/tex]

Cya :)
 
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Ok, but in this case is tau=1/2 for protons and tau=-1/2 for neutrons?
 
the quantum number associated to the projection on the 3rd axis in fact ...
 
Stefano...

isospin is the quantumnumber that distinguishes between a proton and a neutron...basically it works just like the electronspin : up and down...isospin up corresponds to a proton and isospin down corresponds to a neutron...


The strong force is characterized by the fact that isospin is invariant under this interaction. This means that the interaction does not change when isospin is changed from up to down...

This is the most simple picture...

regards
marlon
 

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