Solve Exact Equation: x dy-(2xe^x-y+6x^2) dx = 0

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The discussion revolves around solving an exact equation and related linear equations. Participants explore the integration of functions and the inclusion of additional terms in their solutions. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving techniques in differential equations.

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  • One participant presents an exact equation and expresses confusion over differing integration results for M and N.
  • Another participant explains the necessity of including a function g(x) when integrating M with respect to y and differentiating with respect to x.
  • A participant acknowledges the oversight of not including g(x) and shifts focus to a new problem involving a linear equation.
  • Another participant questions the correctness of the equation's formulation and suggests a method for integration by parts, assuming a correction to the equation is made.
  • The original poster confirms the presence of a mistake in the equation and expresses understanding after clarification.

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Participants generally agree on the need to include additional functions in their integrations, but there is uncertainty regarding the correct formulation of the equations and methods for solving them. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore different approaches.

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I've got a problem with exact equations here, the question I've got is,

[tex]x \frac {dy}{dx} = 2xe^x-y+6x^2[/tex]

sp, i put it in the form,

[tex]x dy-(2xe^x-y+6x^2) dx = 0[/tex]

[tex]x dy+(-2xe^x+y-6x^2) dx = 0[/tex]

the equation would be exact as,

[tex]\frac {\partial M}{\partial x}=1[/tex]

[tex]\frac {\partial N}{\partial y} =1[/tex]

But when I integrate M wrt. y and N wrt x I get totally different answers. So which one do I follow? Thanks.

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Since the equation is exact, there is a function F(x,y) such that
M = The derivative of F with respect to y ... (1)

N= The derivative of F with respect to x. ...(2)
So, F = The integral of M with respect to y ( keeping x constant) + a function of x (which I'll call g(x)).
Differentiating with respect to x,
N = d/dx ( Int.Mdy) + g'(x). Now g can be ( in principle) found out.

Are you sure you included g in the integration?
I'm,with great respect,
Einstone.
 
thanks for the help, i forgot to include the g(x) as you have said. I don't think I'll start another thread but I've now currently got a problem. It has something to do with the linear equation.

[tex]x^-^4 \frac {dy}{dx} 4x^-^5 y = xe^x[/tex]

I don't know how to simplify this to,

[tex]\frac {d}{dx} (x^-^4 y) = xe^x[/tex]

Thanks...

(I'm now at my friend's house and the book is not with me, so I'll dig out the original question soon.)
 
Erm, I'm not convinced you wrote this out correctly (I'm guessing there should be - between the dy/dx and the 4x^-5 but if you did:

[tex]x^{-4} \frac {dy}{dx} 4x^{-5} y = xe^x[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx} \frac{1}{x^9} y = xe^x[/tex]

[tex]y\frac{dy}{dx} = x^{10} e^x[/tex]

[tex]\int y \frac{dy}{dx} dx = \int x^{10} e^x[/tex]

Then all you need to do is use by-parts a lot. But assuming you meant there to be a minus there:

[tex]x^{-4} \frac {dy}{dx} - 4x^{-5} y = xe^x[/tex]

Notice the LHS takes the form d/dx (uv) = uv'+u'v, where u=x^-4 and v=y. So rewriting:

[tex]\frac{d}{dx} \left( x^{-4} y \right) = xe^x[/tex]
 
I'm sorry, there was a mistake, it should be,

[tex]x^-^4 \frac {dy}{dx} - 4x^-^5y =xe^x[/tex]

there should be a minus sign...

I've finally understood, thanks a lot...

: )
 
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