Solving Adiabatic Process Problem: Find Final Volume & Pressure

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The discussion revolves around an adiabatic process involving oxygen gas (O2), where the original poster seeks to determine the final volume and pressure after the gas expands adiabatically until its pressure is halved. The initial conditions provided include the number of moles, initial temperature, and initial pressure.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to use the ideal gas law to find the initial volume and applies the adiabatic process equation to find the final volume. Some participants question the validity of the final volume calculated, noting that it seems inconsistent with the expected behavior of an expanding gas.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing corrections to the original calculations. There is a recognition of potential errors in the initial volume used and the resulting final volume calculations. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the reasoning and assumptions involved.

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There is a focus on the assumptions of ideal gas behavior and the specific heat ratio (gamma) for diatomic gases. Participants are also noting discrepancies in numerical values, indicating a need for careful attention to detail in calculations.

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I have this problem and I do not have the answer, but I get an answer that I feel is probably wrong, so can someone please check my work and point out where I went wrong??

Here is the problem:
moles = 0.10 of O_2
T(initial) = 150 C = 423 K
P(initial) = 3.0 atm = 303.9 KPa

The gas expands adiabatically until the pressure is halved, find the final volume and final pressure

Since the pressure is halved, we know that
P(final) = 1.5 atm = 151.95 KPa

I need the initial volume, so I used the ideal gas equation, PV = nRT
using the initial conditions with P in pascals, n in mols, T in kelvin, and R as 8.31 J/mol*K

So I get a V(initial) = 1.156 x 10^(-3) m^3

Then I need the final volume, and since this is adiabatic,
Pi(Vi)^(gamma)=Pf(Vf)^(gamma)

Since O_2 is diatomic and we assume ideal conditions, gamma = 1.4

So using the above equation, I find
V(final) = 1.37 x 10^(-5) m^3 = answer to part a
I don't know if this is right or wrong

Then for part b, I used the idea gas equaion again, PV=nRT
Using the final volume, final pressure, same n and same R, I get
T = 2.50 K

Obviously this is extremely COLD! I don't think it makes sense that the temperature would drop from 423 K to 2.5 K...where did I go wrong?
 
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Spectre5 said:
So I get a V(initial) = 1.156 x 10^(-3) m^3

Then I need the final volume, and since this is adiabatic,
Pi(Vi)^(gamma)=Pf(Vf)^(gamma)

Since O_2 is diatomic and we assume ideal conditions, gamma = 1.4

So using the above equation, I find
V(final) = 1.37 x 10^(-5) m^3 = answer to part a
I don't know if this is right or wrong

The final volume can not be right, as it is much lower than the initial volume, and the gas has expanded.

[tex]P_{initial}/P_{final}=(V_{final}/V_{initial})^{1.4}=2[/tex]

[tex]V_{final}/V_{initial}=2^{1/1.4}=1.641[/tex]

[tex]V_{final}=1.970 \cdot10^{-3}\mbox{ } m^3[/tex]

ehild
 
Yes, I just realized that at the same time you posted...

I used the wrong initial volume (actually I just used 1.156 instead of 1.156 x 10^-3

:/

thanks

btw..it is 1.90 x 10^-3 I think, not 1.970...probably just a typo though :)
 
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Spectre5 said:
btw..it is 1.90 x 10^-3 I think, not 1.970...probably just a typo though :)
Well, yes, it was 1.897 and I left out the "8" :)

ehild
 

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