Accelerated Detector in Minkowski Vacuum: Effects & Quantification

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The discussion centers on the effects of an accelerated detector in a Minkowski vacuum, particularly regarding the detection of radiation from charged virtual particles and its potential relationship to Unruh radiation. Participants explore the theoretical implications and quantification of these phenomena.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that an accelerated detector in Minkowski spacetime will detect radiation from charged virtual particles, questioning how to quantify this effect and its relation to Unruh radiation.
  • One participant cites the work of Unruh and Davies, stating that an accelerated detector behaves as if it is in a thermal bath at a temperature defined by T = ah/(2pi)ck, where a is acceleration.
  • Another participant distinguishes between the Unruh effect and the radiation from charged virtual particles, suggesting that they are different phenomena arising from different ground states of vacua.
  • One participant elaborates that the thermal radiation observed by an accelerated detector is a result of quantum vacuum fluctuations being transformed into real photons, but notes the extremely high acceleration required for measurable temperatures.
  • Another participant agrees that Unruh radiation occurs for all fields, including uncharged scalar fields, but argues that the radiation from charged fields is a separate phenomenon dependent on the observer's acceleration relative to charged virtual particles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between Unruh radiation and the radiation from charged virtual particles. There is no consensus on whether these effects are the same or distinct phenomena, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence of the discussed effects on specific conditions, such as the type of fields involved and the acceleration of the observer. The mathematical steps and assumptions underlying the claims are not fully resolved.

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In a Minkowski vacuum virtual particles with electric charge (electrons, positrons,…) create and annihilate. If a detector is accelerated within the Minkowski spacetime, will it detect a radiation from the charged virtual particles? How to quantify this effect? Is this effect related to the Unruh radiation?
 
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hellfire said:
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... If a detector is accelerated within the Minkowski spacetime, will it detect a radiation from the charged virtual particles? How to quantify this effect? Is this effect related to the Unruh radiation?

Yes, hellfire; Unruh & Davies showed that an accelerated detector will act as if it is being bathed in a thermal bath at a temperature given by:

T = ah/(2pi)ck

where h is h(bar), k = Boltzmann's k, a is acceleration, and the rest are the usual constants.
Why do you ask?

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It seams to me that these are two different phenomena.

The Unruh effect is due to different ground states of vacua in a Minkowski and a Rindler spacetime. This is a general effect: it arises also if one considers e.g. only the ground state(s) of an uncharged scalar field.

The other phenomenon would depend only on the ground state of charged fields. A Rindler observer, i.e. an accelerated observer in a Minkowski spacetime, would be accelerated wrt to the virtual particles of the Minkowki vacuum. This means that the virtual particles would be accelerated with respect to him. The question is whether this charged virtual particles would radiate.
 
hellfire said:
... an accelerated observer in a Minkowski spacetime, would be accelerated wrt to the virtual particles of the Minkowki vacuum. This means that the virtual particles would be accelerated with respect to him. The question is whether this charged virtual particles would radiate.

I believe I gave that answer in the last post; namely, a detector (or person) would see a thermal radiation at a temperature given by the formula in my 1st post. [This is similar to thermal radiation discovered by Hawking (Hawking radiation) emitted by black holes, which result in their eventual evaporation.] Let me expand a bit.

Thermal radiation is simply photons that are a mix of frequencies near the thermal frequency, w, which is strictly a function of temperature defined by:

w = KT
where T is Temp., and K = 3.67x10^11/sec.-*K

According to Unruh & Davies (see ref.#1), observers in an accelerating frame would see thermal radiation at a temperature given by the equation in my 1st post. This eqn. quantifies the fullness of the effect, (I've never heard of two effects). The distribution is apparently Planckian. The mechanism responsible for this radiation is basically that the quantum (zero point) vacuum fluctuations are being transformed into real photons by the acceleration.

However, if you solve for a (acceleration) in the former equation you will realize the extremely high accel. required to achieve any realistically measureable temperature, over 10^20 m/sec^2 or so. (Or conversely, g =9.8 m/sec^2 results in an infinitesmal 10^-20*K. temp.)

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#1). P.C. Davies, J.Physics A, vol.8, p.609 (1975).
Also see W.G. Unruh, Phys. Rev.D, vol14.p.870, (1976).
 
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The Unruh radiation arises indeed due to the mechanism you explained. This happens for every field, also in case of uncharged scalar fields. E.g. if you consider a Rindler spacetime with only a scalar field in it, then the Unruh radiation would appear. This is actually the scenario (accelerated observer in a Minkowski spacetime + scalar field) used for the usual derivation of the Unruh radiation.

In such a scenario there would be no charged fields, and therefore this other radiation I am postulating here would not appear. This radiation would appear only in case of an observer accelerating wrt to charged fields (and thus virtual particles accelerating wrt to him) and should depend on the charge of the field. Of course, in case of charged fields, the Unruh radiation does also appear.

What do you think about this? Does this make sense?
 
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