What is the densest space-filling polyhedra lattice structure?

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The discussion revolves around identifying the densest space-filling polyhedra lattice structure, with participants exploring various lattice types, their densities, and the possibility of proving which is the densest. The scope includes theoretical considerations and geometric calculations.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the cubic lattice may be the densest structure, while others suggest the hexagonal close packed (HCP) or tetrahedral arrangements.
  • One participant questions whether it can be proven that the tetrahedral arrangement yields maximum density and suggests finding dimensions for optimal density.
  • Another participant mentions calculating densities for various lattices as a way to compare them, framing it as a geometry problem.
  • There is a claim that cubic closest packing is the best arrangement, but it is noted that there is no proof of this being the case, labeling it as an open problem.
  • A participant provides an arbitrary efficiency estimate for cubic packing and discusses upper bounds for packing efficiency without definitive proof.
  • One participant clarifies that cubic close packing (FCC) is equivalent to hexagonal close packing (HCP) and asserts that it is the densest 3D lattice structure.
  • Another participant adds that there are two types of symmetric hexagonal close packed structures, noting their equal density but differing arrangements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on which lattice structure is the densest, with no consensus reached. The discussion includes multiple competing models and remains unresolved regarding definitive proofs of density.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various packing efficiencies and arrangements without providing rigorous definitions or proofs, indicating a reliance on informal estimates and memory.

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What is the densiest space-filling polyhedra lattice?My first guess would be the cubic one, but i am not sure.
 
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I think it would be hexagonal close packed (tetrahedral).
 
Can one prove that it is tetrahedral and possibly find the dimensions that would give the maximum density?
 
Yes, you can calculate the density for the various lattices and compare them. It's a fun geometry problem!
 
i believe it's called "cubic closest" packing, that is the best around. there is no proof that that is in fact, the best arrangement. this is an open problem. i forget what the effiiciency is, let's say, arbitrarily, it's 74% (i think that's close). it has been proven that (again, this is completely arbitrary, made up by me from loose memory) 80% is the best one can do. then again, something like 79.4% efficiency. the upper bounds are closing in, but as of yet, no proof.

EDIT: I"m a moron. nowhere did you ask about spheres. i replied about spheres. I will leave this anyways.
 
The cubic close packing (or face centered cubic lattice) is the same as the hexagonal close packed (abab) structure...and is the densest 3D lattice structure. To see that the FCC is the same as the HCP, simply look at a set of parallel {111} planes in the FCC.

Trancefishy : You're not a moron. When the structure of a lattice "point" is unmentioned, it's more than reasonable to assume it is spherical.

Additional Note : There are two kinds of symmetric hexagonal close packed structures : "abab" and "abcabc". Both are equally dense, but only the abab structure is the same as the FCC.
 
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