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| Nov1-11, 09:17 AM | #103 |
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Cause of origin of Universe
For what it is worth DaveC426913, I agree with almost every thing you have posted here. I think you are one of the posters that don't report to "know it all." You post on what is known, and don't make it sound like you know what is not known.
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| Nov1-11, 11:19 AM | #104 |
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It is fair to stop try to provide a physical explanation of the notion of time just because in the mathematical theory that best explains today the reality of the Universe, time has almost no special meaning? I am not say that BB Theory (a mathematical theory after all) is wrong I just say it is weird, at least for me. The exclamation "Eppur si muove" is still very modern today and "nothing ever moves therein; nothing happens; nothing changes" does not seem to talk about what we see in the Universe constantly. In fact it's about something much deeper, is about philosophical ideas of today. But unfortunately philosophy today is not considered a science even by many scientists (I hope to be wrong). Many have forgotten that philosophy is one that deeply affects how they look on all other sciences. This is why I consider important to add here an idea that can not be scientific in the classic way. What if the reality around us is an illusion? What if we live on a simulated world? This is very old (maybe before Plato) and complicated debate, and you can read more about it on Wikipedia - Simulated reality. In this case the causality in classic meaning can not be used to study the Universe origin. Even the term "origin" became ambiguous because it can be any moment from our reality. Maybe the simulation began 1 billiard years ago (our time), 10 years or 10 seconds ago. We just can't tell. If you think that the simulated reality is impossible, try to read this paper before: ARE YOU LIVING IN A COMPUTER SIMULATION? - by Nick Bostrom - he is currently the director of The Future of Humanity Institute, director of Programme on the Impacts of Future Technology University of Oxford and a fellow of St Cross College at Oxford University. If you need more informations about Nick Bostrom you can find a list of main books and articles on his home page. |
| Nov2-11, 11:15 AM | #105 |
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| Nov2-11, 04:04 PM | #106 |
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| Nov2-11, 04:25 PM | #107 |
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You are posting about General Relativity which explains gravity and gravitation. Einstein founded the principle and still couldn't solve the mystery this thread is supposed to be about "cause of origin of universe." You are explaining GR, which you you should be proud to understand, but it does not help you solve the origin of the universe any more than explaining reflectivity and obsorbtion. You proved my point. "The Experts know what they are talking about when it comes to sciences and known laws. But when they try and speculate on the yet unknown and make it sound like what they know makes them understand it any more than anyone else.... it is funny to listen to." You see, I feel expounding on GR would make me feel smart, and could be a great conversation in a GR thread. But it did nothing to help us solve the origin of the universe. |
| Nov2-11, 04:41 PM | #108 |
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It is the same thing many people do here trying to explain scientific principles and laws that do not explain the origin of the universe. I am just upfront and admit it. I could post about all the physics, dark matter, relativity, cause/effect, cosmology, black holes, thermodynamics, induction, conservation laws, quantum mechanics, radiation, mathematics..... I could talk about Kepler, Newton, Boyle, Ohm, Bacon, Lamaitre, Hubble..... Kind of a waste for me to type all that huh? Just like it is to post about them in this thread ! |
| Nov2-11, 05:58 PM | #109 |
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If our laws 'may' not apply, then you are claiming all our models 'may' be wrong.
Granted this 'may' be true, you cannot learn anything from this. It is pointless to consider. We have to use what we know and hope to discover what we don't. My argument was that our conservation laws state creation is impossible. It is valid in my opinion, because both classically and in GR there is conservation. Applying that, things must have existed before the BB occurred, in whatever state, which eventually expanded as BB has shown. That is my best guess for the origin of the universe - There is none. You may not like it, but it is based on our laws. If one day, we observe something created from nothing, our laws will change, and so will my view. I'm done with this thread, so take it or leave it. I don't care. |
| Nov2-11, 06:08 PM | #110 |
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elegysix finally got it.
About 97% of the posts on this thread have been "junk posts" (like the similarity to junk science?) They did nothing to find the cause of origin of the universe. |
| Nov2-11, 06:58 PM | #111 |
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It is well established that virtual particles are created from 'nothing' in empty space. So, it is just a matter of scale.
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| Nov2-11, 07:19 PM | #112 |
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Virtual Particles are real and measurable, I will give you that. But, the fact that they are created from 'nothing' is not proven. Do you think there is nothing in space? Do you think there is 'nothing' in a vacuum?
Space has very very low density and pressure, but it still has some (it is not 0) It is as close to a true vacuum we have. Even interstellar space has hydrogen atoms. Your "empty space" is not empty. Those virtual particles are created from 'something'. No scientist has ever proved otherwise. |
| Nov2-11, 07:56 PM | #113 |
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You won't. I'm just calling attention to the fact that you like the sound of your own voice. |
| Nov2-11, 08:26 PM | #114 |
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Oh, now you have taken offense to someone pointing out that the learned man that spouts what he has read and memorized over and over doesn't really amount to squat.
I don't have limited opinions or knowledge, I just know that mine don't come close to explaining the cause of origin of the universe, and neither do yours. Didn't you even read my post previous? I could post on many theories and sciences, but there is no need in this thread. You can post any opinion you want on this thread. I am just pointing out how funny it is to listen to people post opinions about sciences and theories that they have memorized and think it comes close to explaining the topic of this thread. I will walk away just to prove your point, and let you "win." Because I can tell you need that in your life. I would say someone with 13,000+ post likes the sound of their voice quite a bit. I have read several of those posts and it is my opinion you are very smart and logical. I agree with most all you post. Many of the posts I read are on topic and well put. Some though are to hear your voice. I would say you should try the pie though sometimes. Have fun discussing something you know nothing about, but making it seem like you do on this topic. |
| Nov2-11, 08:27 PM | #115 |
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We've got another winner here, huh Dave?
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| Nov2-11, 08:28 PM | #116 |
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This is not how PF rolls, Pitstopped. You want to slag the science community, start your own forum. |
| Nov3-11, 01:05 AM | #117 |
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