Space curvature allows time travel to the past

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the concept of space curvature and its potential implications for time travel, particularly through the lens of General Relativity and wormholes. Participants explore theoretical possibilities, the nature of space curvature, and the challenges posed by quantum gravity.

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether space can be curved to loop back to a point in the past, suggesting that this could theoretically allow time travel to both the future and the past.
  • Another participant notes that the possibility of wormholes acting as time machines remains unresolved, mentioning that quantum gravity might prevent such scenarios due to predicted quantum vacuum fluctuations that could destroy wormholes.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the concept of "curving of space," linking it to the warping of time and questioning the definitions involved.
  • Another contributor emphasizes that while wormholes are intriguing theoretical constructs, they remain speculative without a definitive theory of quantum gravity or observational evidence.
  • One participant elaborates on the relationship between wormholes and curvature, explaining that Einstein's equations connect mechanical properties to curvature, and that exotic matter with negative energy densities may be necessary to stabilize wormholes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility of time travel via space curvature and wormholes, with some acknowledging the speculative nature of these ideas and others highlighting the lack of consensus on quantum gravity's role in these phenomena.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in understanding the implications of wormholes and curvature, particularly regarding the need for exotic matter and the unresolved nature of quantum gravity theories.

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Is it true that space can be curved around and loop itself to a point in the past? If this is true, then time travel to the future and the past should be theoreticly posible. I'm trying to further uderstand relativity, this is why I ask. If we could travel to the past, maybe we can really see the origin of the universe :-p


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The possibility that wormholes in General Relativity might act as time machines is still an unresolved issue, though last I heard the general feeling was that quantum gravity would _probably_ prevent this. Since nobody has a definite theory of quantum gravity yet, there's a lot of room for argument over what quantum gravity would or would not prevent. The main issue is that quantum vacuum fluctuations are predicted to occur which are likely to destroy any wormhole which attempts to become a time machine.

There are some theorems in GR which prohibit finite sized time machines without "exotic matter", which is matter with a negative energy density. (Dark energy would also do, in a pinch as far as satisfying the theoretical requirements).
 
Wormholes

So do worn holes curve space? And if so, what is "Curving of space" anyway? As far as I know, time can be slowed through the warping of space, but what is a "curvature"? :wink:
 
So what is warping if not curvature?

More generally, worm holes are nice implications from theory, but as pervect said, without a theory of quantum gravity, and no pertinent observational (let alone experimental) results whatsoever, they must remain rather speculative for now. But to answer your question, worm holes (should they exist) most definitely would 'curve space'!
 
Wormholes tell you how spacetime is connected and curvature tells you how it is bent. Wormholes are topological invariants, curvature is not. You can mathematically cut and paste flat space-times to make all the wormholes you want. (Is space-time a material substance that can be cut and pasted?) Einstein's equations link mechanical properties such as energy density, momentum density, energy flux, and stresses to curvature. In discussing wormholes the curvature comes from the mechanical properties of the material fields via Einstein's equations. The idea is that these fields can hold up the wormhole and stop it from collapsing. Unfortunately this appears to happen only with exotic fields that have negative energy densities and enormous tensions. The contribution of quantum ideas remains to be seen.
 

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