Calculating Displacement of a Free Falling Body with Air Resistance

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The discussion revolves around calculating the displacement of a free-falling body, specifically an unconscious person falling from a helicopter, while considering the effects of air resistance and terminal velocity. Participants explore various mathematical models and approaches to determine the distance fallen over time intervals.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant poses a practical question about displacement after specific time intervals, emphasizing the inclusion of air resistance and terminal velocity.
  • Another participant suggests that terminal velocity for a human body is around 90 m/s and proposes a method involving acceleration and constant velocity calculations.
  • A question arises regarding the variable "j," which is identified as jerk, leading to a clarification about its definition as the rate of change of acceleration.
  • Some participants discuss the nature of air resistance, with one noting that it is proportional to the square of the speed, leading to a different equation of motion.
  • A detailed mathematical model is presented, incorporating drag force and integrating to find velocity and displacement over time, with specific calculations provided for various time intervals.
  • Participants express curiosity about the level of physics knowledge required for the discussed concepts, with references to high school and university-level physics and mathematics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the exact nature of the equations or the effects of air resistance, as participants present differing views on the modeling of the falling body and the role of drag forces. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to calculate displacement.

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Participants mention various assumptions, such as the nature of air resistance and the conditions under which the equations apply. There is also a lack of clarity on the definitions and implications of certain variables, which may affect the calculations presented.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and enthusiasts of physics, particularly those exploring dynamics, air resistance, and mathematical modeling in real-world scenarios.

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I need an answer for a practical question. Say an unconscious (but rigid) person fell out of a helicopter that was not moving. If you DON'T ignore air resistance and terminal velocity, what would be his displacement after a given time (assuming the initial position is at zero, for simplification). In other words, what is the total distance he would fall after 6 sec, 12 sec, 18 sec, 24 sec, 30 sec, 36 sec, 42 sec, 48 sec, 54 sec, 60 sec, and so on?
 
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I think terminal velocity for a human body is around 90 m/s, but don't hold me to that. So he would accelerate to that point and then presumably move at a constant velocity for however long. Assuming the acceleration bleeds away at a constant rate, you can just use s=.5at^2 + jt^3/6 for the distance traveled while he was accelerating and x=vt + s for the distance traveled once he reaches terminal velocity.

At least, that's how I'd approach it.
 
i'm sorry. what does the "j" stand for?
 
I remember reading somewhere that a human falling with minimum air resistance (it assumed that you like were doing the pencil dive you used to use in the pool) falls at 180 MPH, which comes out to 83.33 M / S.
 
j was just my variable for jerk. The rate of change of the acceleration.
 
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Originally posted by meister
j was just my variable for jerk. The rate of change of the velocity.

Did you miss word this? Jerk is rate of change of acceleration.

Acceleration is rate of change of velocity.
 
Er... I don't think the acceleration does reduce in a constant way...

Rather, in general we consider there to be a drag force to be proportional to velocity, making the acceleration inversely proportional to velocity. This means you are looking at exponential velocity graphs...

ie.

d^2x/dt^2 = g - k * dx/dt where k is some constant
 
Originally posted by Integral
Did you miss word this? Jerk is rate of change of acceleration.
Yeah, I did.
 
A falling body has air resistance well into the turbulent regime, where resistance force is proportional to the square of the speed. So the equation of motion is

ma=mg-kv^2

a = acceleration = dv/dt = d^2z/dt^2, g = acceleration of gravity, m = mass. Rather than k to denote the drag resistance parameter, we simplify the math by using the terminal speed V.

V^2=mg/k

We then get

dv/dt=g(1-(v/V)^2),

integrate twice and get the following.

v = V tanh (gt/V)

z = (V^2/g) log (cosh (gt/V))

Let's take V = 90 m/s, g = 10 m/s/s. Then

v = 90m/s tanh(t/9sec)
z = 810m (log(cosh(t/9sec))

t(sec) v(m/s) z(m)
--------------------------------
0 0. 0.
6 52.45 168.
12 78.31 573.
24 89.14 1602.
30 89.77 2140.
36 89.940 2679.
42 89.984 3219.
48 89.9958 3759.
54 89.9989 4299.
60 89.9997 4839.
 
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Krab, you're awesome! What level of physics is that--just out of curiosity?
 
  • #11
You're welcome.

The physics of constant force (no air resistance) is taught in 1st year or even in high school.

The physics of turbulence is something I learned on my own because I wanted to be able to calculate the performance of drag racers. But I guess some physics or engineering departments teach it in 2nd year.

The solution of the equations requires math at the level of at least 2nd year.
 
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"Differential equations" or "Diff-E-Q's." I've forgotten everything about them.
 

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