New Scientist Article - Pendulums + Solar Eclipse

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the claims made in a recent New Scientist article regarding the behavior of pendulums during a solar eclipse and its implications for the understanding of gravity. Participants explore the phenomenon known as the Allais effect, which suggests irregular pendulum movements during eclipses, and consider its potential challenges to established gravitational theories, including those proposed by Einstein.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants mention that pendulums reportedly behave erratically during a solar eclipse, reversing their movement direction.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the claims, suggesting they may relate to known phenomena like hemispheric differences in fluid dynamics.
  • Another participant notes the Allais effect is poorly documented, indicating a lack of robust evidence for the claims made about pendulum behavior during eclipses.
  • There are suggestions that future experiments may provide more clarity on the phenomenon and its implications for gravitational theory.
  • One participant proposes that if the phenomenon occurs, it could be due to unknown gravitational interactions involving the Moon, Earth, and Sun, rather than solar radiation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of curiosity and skepticism regarding the claims about pendulum behavior during solar eclipses. There is no consensus on the validity of the claims or their implications for gravity, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the existing research on the Allais effect is limited and that many assumptions about gravitational interactions remain unresolved. The discussion highlights the need for further experimental investigation to understand the phenomenon better.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those exploring gravitational theory, experimental physics, or the effects of celestial events on physical systems.

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Just wondered if anyone read this weeks New Scientist and more to the point the article on gravity.

Aparently experiments have shown that pendulums behave irratically during a solar eclipse, and hence this has lead to some scientist questioning the laws of gravity and the work of einstein. According to a french researcher the pendlum starts to reverse from a clockwise movement to an anticlockwise movement. Once the eclipse is over the movement returns to a clockwise movement (matching the Earth's spin as expected).

I'm sure this is old news to some of you (indeed it is old research lol) but I think it'd be interesting to see a discussion on the topic. And let's see you all theorise!

If your all yanks then New Scientist is the UK's version of Scientific American. lol

David
 
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I'd love to see more infomation on this if anyone has any.
 
Frankly, I'd be somewhat skeptical (sceptical, for you Brits!). It sounds like a variation on the hemispheric dependence of bathtub drain vorticity theme. :-)
 
http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast06aug99_1.htm
 
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The Allias effect [weird pendulum stuff during solar eclipses] is rather poorly documented, which may or may not mean anything. The most recent treatise I know about is here:
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0408023
 
well i think the New Scientist website may have the article on their sometime soon http://www.newscientist.com/

It sounds quite strange, and it leads you ask how serious questions about gravity. The comments above are accurate, the work on the topic sketchy at best, though in the following years many more experiments are planned.

Personally I woudn't be too suprised if they gained some decent results next time round, its one of those things that intuition tells you sounds like it could be true.

David
 
yep i read it, extremely interesting.
 
If such phenomenum truly occur, then as far as we know, the only forms of interaction possible between the pendulum and, either the moon and the sun or both, are solar radiation and gravitational waves. I doubt solar radiation has any effect on changing the path of a foucault pedulum, so I think it should be something to do with gravity.

Probably some not yet known gravitational interaction occurred between the Moon, Earth and the sun.
 
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