Why scientifically, do we need procreation as a species?

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The discussion revolves around the reasons for procreation and the role of sex in human society, exploring both the biological and social implications. Participants touch on themes of pleasure, morality, and societal norms, with a mix of serious and humorous tones.

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  • Some participants suggest that sex is primarily for pleasure, while others acknowledge its role in procreation.
  • There are varying opinions on what constitutes "proper" amounts of sexual activity, with some arguing that it is subjective and cannot be dictated.
  • One participant humorously claims that if sex were not enjoyable, the world would be underpopulated, implying a biological drive behind procreation.
  • Concerns are raised about the morality of sexual behavior, particularly in the context of marriage and fidelity, with some arguing that secrecy implies guilt.
  • Discussions about the acceptability of sexual relationships outside of marriage lead to differing views, with some asserting that it is not acceptable if it cannot be disclosed to a spouse.
  • There are provocative statements regarding the nature of laws and morality, with some participants questioning societal norms and legal frameworks surrounding sexual behavior.

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Participants express a range of views on the nature and purpose of sex, with no clear consensus on the morality of various sexual practices or the implications of procreation. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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Some statements reflect personal beliefs and cultural norms, which may not be universally applicable. The discussion includes speculative and controversial claims about morality and legality that are not settled.

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For fun or for procreation ?

or both?

Too much and too little sex is no good?
How much is consider "proper" ?
 
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I think the whole thing is over analyzed. Fun or procreation, doesn't matter as long as you're responsible about it.

As for amounts...well, let's just say the more the merrier :wink:

And as for people's ideas of proper, they don't matter. you can't dictate morality to anyone else, so you can't dictate what is "proper."
 
Organisms evolve in the direction that makes sex fun.

The majority of sex being had by people is for 'fun'...or (to use a better word) pleasure.

Now there's also a lot a sex that is intended as an effort at procreation, but nevertheless is also pleasurable.

And finally, there's really no absolute scale for what is considered too much or too little sex. But here are some guidelines that might apply :

- If sex is keeping you from school or work, you're probably having too much
- if sex all night makes you fall asleep at school or work, it's probably a little too much
- if you can't find time for meals between sex, you could be getting too much
- if buying condoms is driving you deep into debt (and 'debt' is not a person, mind you :wink:), that might be a little excessive

- if you go to the doctor asking why your wife is not getting pregnant, and you lookstymied when the doctor asks you how often you try, you're likely not having enough
- if you wife/girlfriend has to give you directions every time, then you might consider reducing the intervals between
 
shouldn't this thread be in the philosophy forums? :-p okay, maybe even the other sciences forum??

if sex wasn't any fun, the world would certainly be underpopulated...let's face it, we are ultimately slaves to our bodily chemicals... :bugeye:
 
Kerrie said:
shouldn't this thread be in the philosophy forums? :-p okay, maybe even the other sciences forum??

if sex wasn't any fun, the world would certainly be underpopulated...let's face it, we are ultimately slaves to our bodily chemicals... :bugeye:

But its a fun slavery.
 
We need sex because it's the best party on the ballot! :smile:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=54515&page=2

Saint, I'm hesitant to provide any sort of serious answer to your question. Usually everyone posts an honest or fun answer to these questions you ask, only for you to come back and tell us we're all immoral. We could save you the trouble. Just list what you think the answers to the questions should be, and if we agree with all of them, we'll post "moral" and if we disagree with them, we'll post "immoral." :smile:
 
Moonbear said:
We need sex because it's the best party on the ballot! :smile:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=54515&page=2

Moonbear,

It is despicably shameful that you use this sensitive issue to ruthlessly further your political agenda. That's the last straw...I'm voting for the other guy. :wink:
 
Gokul43201 said:
Moonbear,

It is despicably shameful that you use this sensitive issue to ruthlessly further your political agenda. That's the last straw...I'm voting for the other guy. :wink:

Uh, did you notice I put you on the Sex Party Ticket too? Of course, if you'd rather not be on it, I can cross your name off the invitation list for the inaugural ball. :smile:
 
Sex is a dual edge sword - whether or not you get it you eventually end up shrivelled.

Sex is one activity where people today behave interpersonally yet primitively. Maybe sex functions in part as as release from social convention. Without it, we certainly would not have the humanity that keeps us together as a people.
 
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Loren Booda said:
Without it, we certainly would not have the humanity that keeps us together as a people.
Which explains why priests and monks are so violently sadistic.
 
  • #11
Moonbear said:
Uh, did you notice I put you on the Sex Party Ticket too? Of course, if you'd rather not be on it, I can cross your name off the invitation list for the inaugural ball. :smile:

Ummm...so what I'm saying is that the denial of this all-pervasive issue during this most important political period is the greater crime. To call this a shameful political move is simply playing on the weaknesses of the people.
 
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Should sex be limited to "only between husband and wife" ?
Or, you may have it with anyone, as long as it is not a Rape ?
 
  • #13
Even rape is acceptable under certain circumstances.. Like if the continuation of the human race depends on it but she still won't put out :rolleyes:
 
  • #14
After marriage, do you think it is still OK to have sex with a theird person? As long as you do not bring her/him home and do not let your spouse know it.
 
  • #15
Smurf said:
Even rape is acceptable under certain circumstances.. Like if the continuation of the human race depends on it but she still won't put out :rolleyes:


So far, there is no law to justify rape. :-p
 
  • #16
Saint said:
After marriage, do you think it is still OK to have sex with a theird person? As long as you do not bring her/him home and do not let your spouse know it.

Au contraire...
 
  • #17
Saint said:
After marriage, do you think it is still OK to have sex with a theird person? As long as you do not bring her/him home and do not let your spouse know it.

This one I'll answer. No, No, No, it's not okay. If you can't tell your spouse about it, that automatically implies there's something you feel guilty about doing. But, if you're going to get married, it should be because you think that one person is the only one you want to spend your life with. If you are still "playing the field," just don't get married and pretend you're being monogamous.
 
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Gokul43201 said:
Ummm...so what I'm saying is that the denial of this all-pervasive issue during this most important political period is the greater crime. To call this a shameful political move is simply playing on the weaknesses of the people.

Glad to have you onboard! :biggrin:
 
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Saint said:
After marriage, do you think it is still OK to have sex with a theird person? As long as you do not bring her/him home and do not let your spouse know it.

I would think it would only be ok if you can take the third person home and your spouse will join in...otherwise i'd say not.
 
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franznietzsche said:
I would think it would only be ok if you can take the third person home and your spouse will join in...otherwise i'd say not.

That's what I meant.
 
  • #21
franznietzsche said:
I would think it would only be ok if you can take the third person home and your spouse will join in...otherwise i'd say not.

With those conditions, yes, it would be okay, though not advisable. I've known people who have experimented, and they say it's not as good as it sounds. Makes for a weird relationship dynamic. They didn't recommend anyone else try it.
 
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When your wife get older, she can't satisfy you,
can you go out to Buy sex -- brothel ?
 
  • #23
If you plan to be Not married,
is there any restriction that you can't have sex with >1 girls/boys ?
 
  • #24
Saint said:
So far, there is no law to justify rape. :-p
Laws are just peices of paper some old wanks have agreed everyone else should listen to.
 
  • #25
Smurf said:
Laws are just peices of paper some old wanks have agreed everyone else should listen to.


Besides, i thought laws were justification to not do something, not jsutification to do something...silly me.
 
  • #26
Saint said:
If you plan to be Not married,
is there any restriction that you can't have sex with >1 girls/boys ?
Are you on some drug? That is pedafilia (and I can't spell). NO NO NO NO[/size]. Girls and Boys do not understand and teenagers experiment but really sex comes when two people are adult enough to realize what they are doing and why they are doing it.

The Bob (2004 ©)
 
  • #27
The Bob said:
Are you on some drug? That is pedafilia (and I can't spell). NO NO NO NO[/size]. Girls and Boys do not understand and teenagers experiment but really sex comes when two people are adult enough to realize what they are doing and why they are doing it.

The Bob (2004 ©)

Umm... correct me if I'm wrong, our ancestors never knew why they were doing it.

We have for some reason accepted that kids having sex is not normal, but it is. You don't need to know something about it. Nature didn't demand all living things to KNOW what they are doing before doing it.

What is an adult anyways? The way I see it is that just about everyone is dumb, therefore not adult. Yes, too many people are dumb and uneducated.

Note: Obviously having sex with a girl/boy is not normal nowadays, but according to nature it is normal.

I find this hard to explain, but all I have to say is that your views are messed up with the views of that society created. While society says wait until your older and that you understand, nature said and still says...

JUST DO IT!

Note: I do not promote sex between children.
 
  • #28
I think he was just using those as gender terms, without any age-specific connotations...


That said Saint, if you're not married you can do it with asmany people as you please, although there are still the obvious risks involved that one must be careful about.
 
  • #29
JasonRox said:
I find this hard to explain, but all I have to say is that your views are messed up with the views of that society created. While society says wait until your older and that you understand, nature said and still says...
Point made. I can see what you mean completely. It is society that has changed it but I have never heard a child ask for it, only being forced into it but your point is so valid that I apologise.

The Bob (2004 ©)
 
  • #30
Most youngsters have masterbation, which gives them a certain level of sexual pleasure. So, it is naturally they will feel curious to Explore sex with opposite sex. As long as they know how to avoid pregnancy and STD, do you think it is ok for them to ignore Virginity ?
 

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