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Nov14-11, 12:30 PM   #205
 
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Are men with cats odd?


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That's not "disappointment", it's normal hunting behaviour. Cats will sit watching "nothing" for hours, if they think there might be some food hiding somewhere.
Hmm, okay.

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I don't think having a pet that doesn't eat treats is a big deal. At least it won't get fat on too many treats. But not eating your idea of "proper" cat food is more of an issue. Have you tried mixing some "real" meat or fish with the stuff she does eat? You could always ring the shelter for some advice.
Yes, a little bit of ground turkey just because she wasn't eating anything at first. I tried adding a little beef the other day (cooked) to her dish of dry food and she ate around it. She might have gnawed on it, but I couldn't tell.

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But then, I know a "vegetarian" dog - if it gets a plate of scraps from the dinner table, it will ferret out all the vegetables and ignore the meat. Its favorite "treat" food is a banana. You have to peel it first and hold it so it can nibble at the end. Eating a whole banana can take half an hour, and woe betide you if you get bored with holding the banana before the dog gets bored with eating it. Go figure.
Yikes. Everything I've read about cats says they get all of their nutrition from meat, and since she's an indoor-only cat, I really just want to make sure she's not suffering in her forced-upon-her home. Maybe I shouldn't care so much. My goal is to get her eating dry food in the morning (for her teeth) and canned food in the evening. All of the treats I've tried are just bits of dried meat; I can't imagine they're bad for her... just expensive for me.

Her canned food is Max Cat Kitten food. The first ingredients are: "Turkey broth, turkey, chicken, chicken giblets, beef liver, beef, and ground rice."

But the Science Diet stuff is: "Chicken By-Product Meal, Ground Whole Grain Corn, Animal Fat, Corn Gluten Meal, Brewers Rice, and Chicken Liver Flavor."
 
Nov14-11, 12:33 PM   #206
 
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Still, if Pixel trusts you, she may be willing to eat what she sees you eating. You can try.
Good idea. I'll grab a spoon and have some canned cat food. Frankly... it doesn't smell all that much worse than a Hot Pocket.

Joking... I know what you meant.

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I'll bet that if you made Pixel some of the liver and bacon cookies and kept them "bite sized" for her, she'd pile right in.
Hmm, get rid of the liver, and you've got a cookie we can both get behind!
 
Nov14-11, 12:43 PM   #207
 
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Hmm, get rid of the liver, and you've got a cookie we can both get behind!
Don't get rid of the liver! Liver is a great source of iron and protein and animals love it. Plus, it can often be cheap to buy - lots of Americans have an aversion to organ meats.

The local butcher shop often has hearts and livers on sale - all from local grass-fed Angus. Duke has the best cookies ever, if my wife buys enough of the organ meats so that I get my fill! Thin-sliced beef heart sauteed in butter with onions... I'd have thirds!!
 
Nov14-11, 01:09 PM   #208
 
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Thin-sliced beef heart sauteed in butter with onions... I'd have thirds!!
I don't get it... do you gain their courage or something?
 
Nov14-11, 01:56 PM   #209
 
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I don't get it... do you gain their courage or something?
Thin-sliced heart (beef or venison) sauteed in butter with a little onion is food for the gods!! If you have never had it properly prepared, you just don't know.

My neighbor likes shooting deer and he is REAL squeamish, so I have to go gut out his deer for him whenever he kills one. In return, I get to take home the heart and the liver, and he brings me some steaks after the meat-cutter packs them, and some ground venison from time to time.

When I bring home a heart and a liver like that, my wife and I plan our next few days' meals around those organ meats. One time, a couple of decades back, I dragged a deer home (about 1/2 mile uphill) and my wife asked "where is the liver?" I had to trudge all the way back down there and recover it to keep her happy.
 
Nov14-11, 02:06 PM   #210
 
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Thin-sliced heart (beef or venison) sauteed in butter with a little onion is food for the gods!!
Surely you jest; it's also appropriate food for serial murderers and futuristic genocidal mechanical abominations.

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One time, a couple of decades back, I dragged a deer home (about 1/2 mile uphill) and my wife asked "where is the liver?" I had to trudge all the way back down there and recover it to keep her happy.
Now I'm sure you're joking.

You'll drag home, across broken glass and dirty syringes, a deceased animal you just find lying around and then, when, unbeknownst to you, its disparate organs tumble from its bloated, disease-ridden corpse, faithfully trot back to the pile of dead plague rats in which you found the carcass to retrieve them?!
 
Nov14-11, 02:16 PM   #211
 
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Surely you jest; it's also appropriate food for serial murderers and futuristic genocidal mechanical abominations.



Now I'm sure you're joking.

You'll drag home, across broken glass and dirty syringes, a deceased animal you just find lying around and then, when, unbeknownst to you, its disparate organs tumble from its bloated, disease-ridden corpse, faithfully trot back to the pile of dead plague rats in which you found the carcass to retrieve them?!
You goon!

My wife was the the child of Depression-era parents, as I was. You don't ever, ever discard any usable portion of an animal. You would not have wanted to join me and my family on the farm when it was time to slaughter hogs!! Tiny little kids could be trusted to haul buckets of intestines to the kitchen for cleaning and sausage-making. Only "big boys" could be trusted to lug wash-basins of blood to the kitchen. That was a rite of passage!

Spill that blood in the gravel drive, and you'd better figure out how to hitch-hike home and hide for a few days. After your mother got through thrashing you, your aunts, great-aunts, etc, would be waiting for their turn to get at you. Blood sausage was huge here.
 
Nov14-11, 03:38 PM   #212
 
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You goon!

My wife was the the child of Depression-era parents, as I was. You don't ever, ever discard any usable portion of an animal. You would not have wanted to join me and my family on the farm when it was time to slaughter hogs!! Tiny little kids could be trusted to haul buckets of intestines to the kitchen for cleaning and sausage-making. Only "big boys" could be trusted to lug wash-basins of blood to the kitchen. That was a rite of passage!

Spill that blood in the gravel drive, and you'd better figure out how to hitch-hike home and hide for a few days. After your mother got through thrashing you, your aunts, great-aunts, etc, would be waiting for their turn to get at you. Blood sausage was huge here.
I see...

I understand the mechanics of gutting an animal (something that I find practical and useful and would like to actually practice), but...

...I don't know, man. Blood sausage? What are you, a Klingon?!
 
Nov14-11, 05:11 PM   #213

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I don't know, man. Blood sausage? What are you, a Klingon?!
I'm beginning to wonder if you ever ate anything that didn't come from a supermarket.

(But even if that is true, there are millions like you, so don't worry about it)

"Nice looking" cuts of meat just taste bland compared with the rest of the animal. About the only thing that I really don't like is tripe. (Look it up, if you don't know what part of the animal that is).

The local "using up unspeakable bits of pig" delicacy in my part of the world was "chine" (but the wikipedia page on "stuffed chine" is a feeble modern imitation of the real thing).

Take the neckbone, backbone and spinal cord of your pig, with whatever meat is left on them after you have butchered up the main cuts. Coil them up and tie them into a muslin bag. with a LOT of herbs. By weight, you want about 5% chopped rosemary leaves, 20% chopped parsley, and 75% pig. Slow-cook for about 48 hours, till the bones etc have reduced to a jelly. Leave to cool and set. It will keep without being refrigerated for months. Serve it cold and sliced. Warning: this is a VERY acquired taste - if you think using that much parsley and rosemary in a recipe is insane, then it's not for you!
 
Nov14-11, 07:35 PM   #214
 
OMG you got one! She is adorable!

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Yikes. Everything I've read about cats says they get all of their nutrition from meat
Actually, not quite true. Cats get grains and greens from the stomach contents of the rodents they eat, and generally do quite well with some vegetable and grain. I had one cat that ate spinach and chard. My current cat *cough* excuse me, my BROTHER's cat that is always in my house (lucky cat has two houses) eats kale chips, cooked kale and collards, fresh catnip, and yesterday I caught him eating my lemon grass. Until he choked on it, that is. Too tough, so the dumbut was gagging and I had to pull it out of his mouth. Letting her have cooked or raw meat is great for her, but find greens that she likes. Turbo's cookies would be great, also. Cat grass or wheat grass that she can nibble when she wants are good ideas.

Also, someone suggested catnip. I don't know the *why* behind it, but I have always heard (even from the vet) that you should not give a cat under a year old catnip.

And if you choose to go the natural food way, they don't need sugar and salt. People food has too much.

One question - the video was dark, was she actually RETRIEVING?

She is an adorable cat, and you sound like you are doing very well with her.
 
Nov14-11, 08:28 PM   #215
 
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OMG, I did that to Pixel, but I made it disappear into her cat cave. That was a mistake. She was mucking about in there (removed all of her other toys) for a good five minutes before setting up shop just outside and staring into it.

I didn't really want to encourage that type of disappointment, so we played a bit more and I just ran up her up and down the steps in the same pattern until she got bored. Then it was okay to stop and she went back to normal cat activities.

Incidentally, I have a weird problem...

Pixel plays very well. I wasn't sure I wanted her to get used to playing with a person's hand, but she does a good job: she will open her mouth but won't bite (like a dog), and she'll bat at your hands with her claws tucked safely away. If she starts to get overly frisky, I just say (in a stern voice) "hey, be nice" and apply firm pressure to her belly; she calms right down. So far we have had zero biting or clawing incidents while playing.

However, I think she will ONLY bite when she's eating hard food which brings me to my problem: she won't eat treats. I think she loves the smell and taste, but she just gnaws on them a bit, and them spits them out. There aren't even tooth marks on them! She'll pounce them, bat them around, put them in her mouth and (basically) suck on them and spit them back out. This is true of both the salmon ones and the lamb/chicken ones.
Nice to see Pixel and you and get used to one another, and she is getting to know her limits based on your guidance. My cat will not bite unless you bat at her rump or get too aggressive, she will mouth your hand with her teeth but not hard. She will not bite hard at all and as long as you stop she quits right away. Not a toughie at all.

You mentioned her "cat cave", so I thought I would show you what I use instead. Call it an improvised sleeping perch, comfy as heck, on top of a knee wall shelf.
I wasn't going to include the close up, but I took about six pictures and caught her eyes just right. I liked the contrast between that cobalt blue iris's and black of her fur and pupils so I thought I would throw that in for you.



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Nov14-11, 09:41 PM   #216
 
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The fact that a cat doesn't eat treats shouldn't worry you unless its a problem with teeth. With a ktten, it probably isn't. But, for the future, remember that it's hard to detect discomfort in cats. They can be in pain in not show it. They can have very bad dental problems and not show it. (Just as in humans, bad breath is a symptom.)

My current guest cat had to have all but 6 of her teeth removed because her gums got such deep pockets in them that the nerves were exposed. Until the vet discovered this, nobody who was around the cat noticed that she had any problems.
 
Nov14-11, 09:56 PM   #217
 
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The fact that a cat doesn't eat treats shouldn't worry you unless its a problem with teeth. With a ktten, it probably isn't. But, for the future, remember that it's hard to detect discomfort in cats. They can be in pain in not show it. They can have very bad dental problems and not show it. (Just as in humans, bad breath is a symptom.)

My current guest cat had to have all but 6 of her teeth removed because her gums got such deep pockets in them that the nerves were exposed. Until the vet discovered this, nobody who was around the cat noticed that she had any problems.
Excellent points. Cats are notoriously picky eaters. If a cat doesn't care for a particular treat, it just means that cat is being a cat.

Animals will not normally show that they are in pain. Until they were domesticated, showing pain was like telling whatever predator was nearby to "pick me, I'm weak!"

I hope your guest kitty is better now!
 
Nov14-11, 10:28 PM   #218
 
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Thin-sliced heart (beef or venison) sauteed in butter with a little onion is food for the gods!! If you have never had it properly prepared, you just don't know.

My neighbor likes shooting deer and he is REAL squeamish, so I have to go gut out his deer for him whenever he kills one. In return, I get to take home the heart and the liver, and he brings me some steaks after the meat-cutter packs them, and some ground venison from time to time.

When I bring home a heart and a liver like that, my wife and I plan our next few days' meals around those organ meats. One time, a couple of decades back, I dragged a deer home (about 1/2 mile uphill) and my wife asked "where is the liver?" I had to trudge all the way back down there and recover it to keep her happy.
quoted for truth.

i'm a steak man, myself, except for heart. i make some sauteed mushrooms to go with it, and have a special spice i use only for heart: sea salt, green peppercorns, garlic, and cardamom (the mix goes in a pepper grinder).
 
Nov15-11, 08:09 AM   #219
 
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I'm beginning to wonder if you ever ate anything that didn't come from a supermarket.
Sure. Wild blueberries. Caught fish. A Snickers bar I found on the ground (still wrapped).

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Warning: this is a VERY acquired taste - if you think using that much parsley and rosemary in a recipe is insane, then it's not for you!
Yeah, I'm 26, I don't think I have enough time left in my life to "acquire" that particular taste.

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OMG you got one! She is adorable!
I know, right?

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Actually, not quite true. Cats get grains and greens from the stomach contents of the rodents they eat, and generally do quite well with some vegetable and grain.
See that's what I had thought, but never saw it written anywhere. I figured that maybe the partially digested grains were better than raw gains.

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Also, someone suggested catnip. I don't know the *why* behind it, but I have always heard (even from the vet) that you should not give a cat under a year old catnip.
They gave it to her at the shelter in a toy, but it's all dried up. She doesn't need catnip to go nuts when she's in hunting-mode.

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And if you choose to go the natural food way, they don't need sugar and salt. People food has too much.
Don't make it sound like I'm going granola, here. All things being equal, I'd rather have her just eat a turkey rather than processed turkey by-products.

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One question - the video was dark, was she actually RETRIEVING?
It's a ball. It has a big tag on it and see carries it by the tag... like the tail of a mouse.

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She is an adorable cat[...]
I know, right?

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Call it an improvised sleeping perch, comfy as heck, on top of a knee wall shelf.
You should slip a pea under there and see if she can still sleep.

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I wasn't going to include the close up, but I took about six pictures and caught her eyes just right.
Yikes, keep her away from the tomcats.

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The fact that a cat doesn't eat treats shouldn't worry you unless its a problem with teeth. With a ktten, it probably isn't.
I took a video last night of her playing with a treat, pouncing it, gnawing it, sucking on it, spitting it out, playing with it again, launching a surprise attack, and chewing on it before finally spitting it out in one piece.

I'll upload it tonight. Can't do it at work.
 
Nov15-11, 12:39 PM   #220
 
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Flex,

I wandered into this, and thought it was worth sharing, you need 47 minutes to watch it:
It is one of the only animals to domesticate itself.

and

Turkey may be the place where cats were first domesticated.

National Geographic - Science of Cats (2008)




Rhody...
 
Nov15-11, 03:30 PM   #221
 
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I know, right?
You sound absolutely smitten!


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Don't make it sound like I'm going granola, here. All things being equal, I'd rather have her just eat a turkey rather than processed turkey by-products.
Nothing granola in turkey. It is great for her. Several of my friends feed their cats nothing but raw meat.

I think you are doing a purrfectly fantastic job with her. She picked the right human.

The reason I asked if she was retrieving, it is hard to tell if she is bringing the ball down stairs to play with and you are taking it, or if she is returning it for you to throw again. If she is bringing it to you to throw again, that is quite a unique cat!
 
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