Understanding Spinors: Not Your Typical Tensor

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical and physical nature of spinors, contrasting them with tensors. Participants explore the definitions, transformations, and implications of these concepts within the context of linear algebra and quantum physics.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the definition of a spinor, expressing dissatisfaction with existing resources that describe it merely as a complex column vector.
  • Another participant explains that spinors and tensors differ in their transformation properties under Lorentz transformations and suggests that spinors arise as solutions to the Dirac equation, while tensors may describe fields with integer spin.
  • A participant proposes that spinors exist in a different vector space, specifically a two-dimensional complex space, and seeks clarification on what this space represents.
  • Further contributions mention the existence of dual spinors and their role in calculations involving spinors and electromagnetic potentials.
  • One participant finds a Wikipedia definition of spinors to be more enlightening than the MathWorld definition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of spinors versus tensors, with no consensus reached on the best way to characterize or understand spinors.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the limitations of existing definitions and resources, indicating that the understanding of spinors may depend on specific mathematical contexts and interpretations.

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What mathematically speaking is a spinor? Why isn't it a tensor? I didn't find the mathworld definition very useful at all as it describes it as a complex column vector which really tells me nothing especially as we usually think of such an object as a tensor!
 
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A spinor and a tensor are differentiated mathematically by the way they transform under a Lorentz transformation, and by what they mean physically.

Spinor - See http://particle.phys.uvic.ca/~blokland/phys506a/lec10.pdf slide 4 for how a spinor transforms across reference frames.

Tensor - See http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/jk1/lectures/node10.html for how a tensor transforms.

Note that the transformation for a spinor cannot be put in tensor form, so they are different objects. Physically, spinors arise as solutions to the Dirac equation and describe fermions. I *think* tensors describe fields with integer spin (ie the EM field), but I don't know that for certain.

Edit: shouldn't this go in either Linear Algebra or Quantum physics?
 
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So basically they ARE vectors BUT they exist in a different vector space (a two dimensional complex space as opposed to a four dimensional real space which makes sense in some perverse way)?

So if that is true the obvious quetsion is what is the space that spinors 'live' in meant to represent?
 
aha that wiki definition is much more enlightening then the mathworld definitnion.
 

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