Why is my calculated atmospheric pressure different from the given value?

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The discussion revolves around calculating atmospheric pressure and manometric pressure in fluid dynamics contexts. The original poster presents two problems: one involving the reduction of barometric height due to a storm and another concerning the pressure required for water to exit a fire extinguisher at a specified speed.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between pressure, height, and velocity in fluid dynamics. There is a focus on deriving pressure equations based on energy considerations. Questions arise regarding discrepancies in calculated values and the reasoning behind certain multiplications in the formulas used.

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16. The normal atmosphercic pressure is 1.013 x 10^5. A storm causes that the height of the barometer of mercury reduce 20.0 mm form the normal height. What is the atmosferic preasurre ? ( the density of mercury is 13.59 g/cm3


50. Out of a fire extingisher comes out water under air presurre. What manometric pressure is required in the tank for the water burst to have a speed of 30 m/s when the water level is 0.5 m below the water pump.


as hard as i try i really can't solve is problems can anyone help me?
 
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i got the first one , can anyone help me with the other one?
 
timon00 said:
50. Out of a fire extingisher comes out water under air presurre. What manometric pressure is required in the tank for the water burst to have a speed of 30 m/s when the water level is 0.5 m below the water pump.
It is not entirely clear on the question but it seems that the air pressure has to lift the water .5 m and send it out at 30 m/sec.

Think of pressure as an energy density (energy/unit volume):
[tex]P = \frac{\delta E}{\delta V}[/tex]

In order to lift an element [itex]\delta m = \rho \delta v[/itex] of water h = .5 m. and accelerate it to v = 30 m/sec energy of:

[tex]\delta E = \delta mgh + \frac{1}{2}\delta mv^2[/tex]

is required. So an energy density of:

[tex]\frac{\delta E}{\delta V} = \rho gh + \frac{1}{2}\rho v^2 = P[/tex]

[tex]P = \rho (gh + \frac{1}{2}v^2)[/tex]

[tex]P = 10^3 (9.8 \times .5 + .5 \times 900)[/tex]

[tex]P = 4.55 \times 10^2 KPa[/tex] or about 4.55 atm. (4.55 bars)

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thanks andrew but i have another question

so i did P = 10^3(9.8*0.5 +900*0.5) = and it gives me another answer diffrent that yours it gives me 4.55 x 10^5 half of what you got , why did u multiply it by two ??
 
timon00 said:
thanks andrew but i have another question

so i did P = 10^3(9.8*0.5 +900*0.5) = and it gives me another answer diffrent that yours it gives me 4.55 x 10^5 half of what you got , why did u multiply it by two ??
Just forgot to multiply by the .5. See edited reply above

AM
 

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