Calculating Electron Distribution in Hydrogen Atoms

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the number of electrons in a specific energy level of hydrogen atoms at a given temperature, specifically focusing on the n=2 level at 3 Kelvin. Participants explore the implications of the state of hydrogen (gas, liquid, or solid) on the calculations involved.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the calculation of electrons in the n=2 level of hydrogen at 3 Kelvin and questions the effect of the physical state of hydrogen on this calculation.
  • Another participant suggests using the Boltzmann factor and partition function to determine the probability of electrons occupying the n=2 level, noting that at 3K, this probability is very small for a gas.
  • A subsequent post requests a numerical approximation for the small probability mentioned, seeking more precise information.
  • One participant provides a formula for calculating the probability of finding electrons in the n=2 level, indicating that the partition function is dominated by the ground state and providing a specific numerical result that suggests an extremely small probability.
  • Another participant questions the validity of the calculations, suggesting that there may be an error in the equation used to derive the probability.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculations and results, with some agreeing on the use of the Boltzmann factor and partition function, while others challenge the numerical outcomes and the applicability of the equations used. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the accuracy of the calculations and the implications of the physical state of hydrogen.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions made about the interactions in different states of hydrogen and the potential errors in the mathematical steps taken to derive the probabilities.

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How do I calculate the number of electrons with a given energy in
a sample of hydrogen atoms at a certain temperature?
For example how many electrons would be in the n=2 level
at 3 Kelvin? And does it matter whether or not hydrogen is gas or liquid or solid i.e is a different calculation needed for a gas in place of a liquid.
 
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This is a classical problem; you weigh each possible state by the Boltzmann factor e^(-E/kT), write the partition function and calculate the probability of a given energy level. At 3K, the probability of electrons being in n=2 is vanishingly small.

This only applies to a gas; in a liquid the interactions between atoms cannot be ignored and make for a messier problem.
 
When you say vanishingly small, have you got an approximate number
of decimal places for that small probability?
 
Easy to get. The partition function is dominated by the ground state so we can approximate:

Z = exp (-E1/kT).

P(n=2) = g * exp (-E2/kT) / Z, where g is the degeneracy of the 2nd level (ie how many distinct states there are with that energy level). Ignoring fine structure, g=4.

So P(n=2) = 4 exp (-(E2 - E1) / kT) = 4 e -39 455.3202 = 4 * 10 -17135

Hmm... that's even smaller than I expected. Did I do something wrong?
 
E1 = 10^-18 Joules.
P(n=2) = 4 exp (-(E2 - E1) / kT) = 4 exp [(4 x 10^-18 - 1 x 10^-18)/10^-23]

works out at about 10^10^-18

There must be something wrong with the equation.
 

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