Calculating Force Exerted on a Rope at an Angle

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The discussion revolves around calculating the force exerted on a rope held at an angle while dragging a crate across a horizontal surface. The original poster presents a scenario involving a horizontal force of 805 N and seeks to determine the force applied to the rope at a 32-degree angle.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the horizontal component of the force and the tension in the rope, with some suggesting the use of trigonometric functions to resolve the components of the tension force. Questions arise regarding the correct interpretation of the components and their contributions to the overall force.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring different interpretations of the forces involved. There is a focus on understanding how the tension force relates to the horizontal force required to maintain constant speed. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of trigonometry to resolve the forces, but no consensus has been reached on the final calculations.

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There is an emphasis on maintaining a constant speed while dragging the crate, and participants are considering the implications of this condition on the forces involved. The discussion also touches on the concept of work done in relation to the forces acting on the crate.

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Okay a horizontal force of 805 N is needed to drag a crate across a horizontal floor with a constant speed. You drag the crate using a rope held at a 32 degree angle.

What force do you exert on the rope?

After I know how to figure this out I can get the rest of the problem myself. I just forgot how to figure this out.

Thanks
 
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I'm assuming you want to continue dragging it at a constant speed. If so, the x-component of the force directed at 32 degrees upwards must be equal to 805 N. Can you figure it out now?
 
Use trigonometry.
Only a component of the tension force (and hence, the force you apply to the rope) is horizontally aligned.
 
So then is the x-component 805 and the tension force the y-component?
 
sharon09 said:
So then is the x-component 805 and the tension force the y-component?
No, your tension force can be written as:
[tex]\vec{T}=T(\cos(32)\vec{i}+\sin(32)\vec{j})[/tex]
The horizontal component is [tex]T\cos(32)[/tex]
which means that the magnitude of the tension force, T, satisfies:
[tex]T=\frac{805}{\cos(32)}[/tex]
 
Thanks so much.
If I want to figure out how much work was done I add the tension force and 805 for the net force right
 
I believe the tension is used for creating the 805N force, if this is true then the net force is 805 and the work is displacement * 805 not (805+tension)
 
sharon09 said:
Thanks so much.
If I want to figure out how much work was done I add the tension force and 805 for the net force right

Careful! Remember that the 805-Newton force is part of the tension force. As you can see in arildno's post, we are finding the value of the tension force directed at 32 degrees from horizontal necessary for its x-component to be equal to 805 N; that 805 N is the part of the tension force that is directed along the horizontal. Therefore, adding the tension to its x-component to find the net force is incorrect.

ponjavic said:
I believe the tension is used for creating the 805N force, if this is true then the net force is 805 and the work is displacement * 805 not (805+tension)

The net force acting on the object would actually be the vector sum of the gravitational force and the applied force (tension), assuming no frictional forces are present.

To find the work done, ponjavic you are correct. Since the displacement is in a horizontal direction, we take only the component of the applied force that has done any work, the x-component. Since we have established that that is 805 N, we find that:
[tex]W=Fd\cos{\theta}=(805 N)d[/tex]
Since the force F in the equation is directed at zero degrees to the horizontal, [itex]\theta=0[/itex], and [itex]\cos{\theta}=1[/itex].
 
ok thanks so much
 

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