Sending space probes to other planets

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the planning and execution of space probes, focusing on fail-proof design, trajectory calculations, and the implications of budgetary decisions on future missions. It includes theoretical and practical considerations related to engineering and space exploration.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that achieving a fail-proof design for space probes is impossible, advocating instead for fail-tolerance through robustness and redundancy in critical systems.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of considering costs, payload weight, and fuel requirements when designing probes, noting that excessive redundancy can increase costs and reduce available resources for additional experiments.
  • Another participant mentions that trajectory calculations can start with simple principles but acknowledges that the overall process is complex.
  • There is a concern raised about the impact of political decisions and budget allocations on NASA's future projects, with some arguing that this could lead to a reduction in scientific endeavors in favor of politically motivated projects.
  • A later reply highlights that NASA and JPL maintain communication with probes throughout their missions, often sending instructions for course corrections and troubleshooting issues.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of fail-proof designs and the implications of budgetary constraints on space exploration. There is no consensus on these issues, and multiple competing perspectives remain present in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the limitations of current engineering practices and the challenges posed by budgetary constraints, but do not resolve the complexities involved in designing space probes or the trajectory calculation process.

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Hi,
How is a space probe planned to be fail-proof?
And how is the trajectory calculated?Is it easy to do or requires huge calculations?
 
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A good time to launch can easily be calculated with Keplers laws, I recommend you to look them up. When it comes to space probes, I have no clue. I guess the size of solar panels, weight of the material and types of communication are major issues though.
 
rhia said:
Hi,
How is a space probe planned to be fail-proof?
Fail-proof is not possible. Fail-tolerance is the goal. Engineers design for robustness, and try to include enough redundancy in critical systems to allow work-arounds in the event of failure. It is too costly to provide back-ups for every system on a probe, and some systems are too heavy and bulky to have back-ups, so these systems must be robust. Data pathways, chipsets, etc. are generally lighter and smaller and can be backed up. The design of any probe has to revolve around costs, payload weight, fuel requirements, etc, etc. If you design in too much redundancy, the weight of the probe increases, the amount fuel required to launch it increases, the amount fuel required to maneuver the probe increases. All these increase project costs and reduce the number of "nice to have" and "optional" sensors, experiments, etc that your friends and associates want to tack onto the probe.
 
We can forget about any new probe-based programs in the US. NASA recently got $16.2G, thanks to Bush and DeLay and their cohorts. Unfortunately, their new "mandate" is to put men back in space, with projects on the Moon and trips to Mars. This idiocy comes from the same dopes who killed the Breakthrough Propulsion Program. The BPP might have given us a chance to make interplanetary travel possible, if not practical. Without a breakthrough in propulsion, manned probes to Mars are a pipe-dream, but these people either don't understand it (ignorance) or wish to ignore it (dishonesty, greed). BTW, the Johnson Space Center is in DeLay's district.
 
Welcome new members, rhia & orange! :smile:

rhia said:
How is a space probe planned to be fail-proof?

Good response from turbo-1. Also note that NASA/JPL/etc. stay in contact with the space probe throughout the mission. They frequently need to send up instructions for course corrections, fixing glitches, etc. If you read about some of the past missions, you'll see many examples of this. Some of the fixes have been quite clever & dramatic.

And how is the trajectory calculated?Is it easy to do or requires huge calculations?

It's tough overall, but it starts with simple principles.

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=29524
 
Here is a link to a news story that touches on the fringes of the new NASA budget. The problem is that the budget is ripe low-hanging fruit for people who have "projects" fitting NASA's new "mandate". We should expect to see science gutted for the sake of pork and political payback. The reality will be much more depressing than the story implies, and some really deserving science projects will be deferred or lost altogether.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1803&e=18&u=/washpost/a38092_2004dec5
 
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