Understanding Fermions in 4He & 3He - Why Different Behaviors?

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The discussion revolves around the differing behaviors of helium isotopes 4He and 3He at low temperatures, specifically why 4He behaves like a boson and exhibits Bose-Einstein condensation, while 3He does not. The conversation explores the physical origins of these behaviors and the implications of their nuclear compositions.

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  • One participant questions the reasons behind the different behaviors of 4He and 3He, seeking clarity on the physical origins of 4He's bosonic behavior due to its even number of fermions.
  • Another participant explains that each nucleon has a spin of \(\frac{\hbar}{2}\) and that a boson requires an integer multiple of \(\hbar\), implying that an even number of nucleons is necessary for bosonic behavior.
  • A later reply notes that 3He behaves as a superfluid at much lower temperatures than 4He, forming a fermionic condensate.
  • One participant elaborates on the nuclear composition of 4He and 3He, explaining that 4He can achieve a net spin of zero due to its even number of nucleons, while 3He cannot achieve an integer net spin because of its odd number of neutrons, affecting its classification as a boson.
  • This participant also mentions that 3He can form a Bose-Einstein condensate by pairing with another 3He atom to create a composite boson, similar to Cooper pairs in superconductors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms behind the behaviors of 4He and 3He, with some agreeing on the role of nuclear composition and spin, while others introduce additional concepts like fermionic pairing in 3He. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the full implications of these behaviors.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the relationship between nucleon spin and particle classification, and the conditions under which these behaviors manifest, particularly at low temperatures. There are also unresolved aspects regarding the nature of the condensates formed by 3He.

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Why does 4He act like a boson but 3He doesn't? What accounts for their different behavior at low temperatures? Why does 4He act as a Bose Condensate, but 3He doesn't?

I read somewhere that because 4He has an even number of fermions (2 protons, 2 neutrons, 2 electrons), it behaves as a boson. What is the physical origins of this statement?


Can someone please help?
Thanks!
YG
 
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The quick answer is as follows : Each nucleon has a spin of [itex]\frac{\hbar}{2}[/itex]. A Boson is a particle whose spin is an integer multiple of [itex]\hbar[/itex]. So, it takes an even number of nucleons to make a boson.
 
As a sidenote, He 3 behaves as a superfluid at much lower temperatures than He-4, forming a fermionic condensate.
 
yxgao said:
Why does 4He act like a boson but 3He doesn't? What accounts for their different behavior at low temperatures? Why does 4He act as a Bose Condensate, but 3He doesn't?

I read somewhere that because 4He has an even number of fermions (2 protons, 2 neutrons, 2 electrons), it behaves as a boson. What is the physical origins of this statement?


Can someone please help?
Thanks!
YG

I have to make some guesses on what you are exactly asking for, since I am not exactly sure what you wanted to know here...

He4 is your "typical" helium : 2 protons, 2 neutrons, and certainly 2 electrons to preserve neutrality.

He3 is an isotope of He: 2 protons (of course, because if this number is different, it's a different element), 1 neutron, and 2 electrons.

So there is a difference in the number of neutrons. Now, each proton, neutron, and electron has a quantum spin of 1/2. So for He4, it is possible for the the protons, neutrons, and electrons to allign themselves with respect to each other to make the whole atom to have a net spin of ZERO (note that this only occurs at very low temperatures). When this happens, the He atom now is a boson.

Now look at He3. Because of the odd number of neutron, you can never get the whole atom to be in a net spin of an integer. This means the whole atom cannot become a boson. However, He3 can still form a BE condensate by pairing up with another He3 atom and together they form a composite boson (very much like the Cooper pairs in superconductors). Only then do they condense into a BE condensate.

Zz.
 

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