Solve 3x + 1 - x - 1 = 2: Step-by-Step Guide

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation \(\sqrt{3x+1} - \sqrt{x-1} = 2\). Participants explore various methods to manipulate the equation, including squaring both sides and rearranging terms. The focus is on the algebraic steps involved in arriving at potential solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest squaring both sides of the equation to eliminate the square roots, leading to different forms of the equation.
  • One participant rearranges the equation to \(\sqrt{3x+1} = 2 + \sqrt{x-1}\) before squaring, which leads to a different approach.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the steps taken to derive \(2(x-1) = \sqrt{(3x+1)(x-1)}\) and questions whether any steps were skipped.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of checking solutions after finding them, as one participant notes that \(x=1\) works but may not be the only solution.
  • Some participants provide alternative methods and simplifications, while others challenge the clarity of the steps presented.
  • One participant suggests substituting \(x\) with 1 directly, which prompts a response about the potential for multiple solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to solve the equation, and there are multiple competing views on the steps involved and the validity of the solutions found.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the algebraic manipulations, particularly regarding the squaring steps and the assumptions made about the solutions. Some participants express uncertainty about the clarity of the explanations provided.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in algebraic problem-solving techniques, particularly those involving square roots and quadratic equations.

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How do you solve this? [tex]\sqrt{3x+1} - \sqrt{x-1} = 2[/tex]
I know it isn't 3x + 1 - x - 1 = 2.
This isn't homework. I just saw it somewhere else.
 
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square both sides, then rearrange it so the radical that's left is on one side by itself, and then square again.
 
Ok so I rearrange it and I get [tex]\sqrt{3x+1}=2+\sqrt{x-1}[/tex]
When you say square it, won't I get 3x +1 = 2 + x - 1?
 
footprints said:
How do you solve this? [tex]\sqrt{3x+1} - \sqrt{x-1} = 2[/tex]
I know it isn't 3x + 1 - x - 1 = 2.
This isn't homework. I just saw it somewhere else.


start with:
[tex]\sqrt{3x+1} - \sqrt{x-1} = 2[/tex]

square both sides & simplify:
[tex]2(x-1) = \sqrt{(3x+1)(x-1)}[/tex]

square both sides again:
[tex]4(x-1)^2 = (3x+1)(x-1)[/tex]

move everything over to the left-hand side:
[tex]4(x-1)^2 - (3x+1)(x-1) = 0[/tex]

simplify:
[tex]4(x-1)^2 - (3x+1)(x-1) = (x-1)[4(x-1)-3x-1] = (x-1)(x-5) = 0[/tex]

from the original equation, [tex]1 \leq x[/tex] (so no sqrt of negative #s)


so it looks like the solution is x=1 & x=5

how did i do everybody? :blushing:
 
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another way to do it but similar to yours is the following :

[itex]\sqrt{3x+1}-\sqrt{x-1}=2 \rightarrow \sqrt{3x+1}=\sqrt{x-1}+2[/itex]
[itex]\sqrt{3x+1}^2=(\sqrt{x-1}+2)^2 \rightarrow 3x+1=x-1+2\cdot2\sqrt{x-1}+4[/itex]
[itex]3x+1=x-1+2\cdot2\sqrt{x-1}+4 \rightarrow 2x-2=2\cdot2\sqrt{x-1}[/itex]
[itex]x-1=2\sqrt{x-1} \rightarrow (x-1)^2=4\sqrt{x-1}^2[/itex]
[itex]x^2-2x+1=4(x-1)[/itex]

note : after finding the solution, you have to check if it is the answer by positioning it in the first equation. :shy:
 
fourier jr: How did you go from [tex]\sqrt{3x+1} - \sqrt{x-1} = 2[/tex] to [tex]2(x-1) = \sqrt{(3x+1)(x-1)}[/tex]? Did you skip any steps? Cuz I'm a bit slow.

boaz: Where did the 2 from [tex]2\sqrt{x-1}+4[/tex] come from?
 
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fourier jr said:
how did i do everybody? :blushing:
Looks good to me :biggrin:

footprints said:
fourier jr: How did you go from [tex]\sqrt{3x+1} - \sqrt{x-1} = 2[/tex] to [tex]2(x-1) = \sqrt{(3x+1)(x-1)}[/tex]? Did you skip any steps? Cuz I'm a bit slow.

boaz: Where did the 2 from [tex]2\sqrt{x-1}+4[/tex] come from?

Square both sides of:

[tex]\sqrt{3x+1} - \sqrt{x-1} = 2[/tex]

You'll get:
[tex](3x+1)+(x-1)-2\sqrt{(3x+1)(x-1)}=4[/tex]

which can be rearranged to:
[tex]2(x-1)=\sqrt{(3x+1)(x-1)}[/tex]
 
footprints said:
boaz: Where did the 2 from [tex]2\sqrt{x-1}+4[/tex] come from?

according to next formula :
[itex](a+b)^2=a^2+2ab+b^2[/itex]
however, in your example :
[itex]a=2; b=\sqrt{x-1}[/itex]
 
footprints said:
fourier jr: How did you go from [tex]\sqrt{3x+1} - \sqrt{x-1} = 2[/tex] to [tex]2(x-1) = \sqrt{(3x+1)(x-1)}[/tex]? Did you skip any steps? Cuz I'm a bit slow.

ya i squared, simplified & put the square-root stuff one side in one step
 
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I think it is slightly easier to follow if you shift [itex]\sqrt{x-1}[/itex] to the other side first: [itex]\sqrt{3x+1}= \sqrt{x-1}+ 2[/itex] . Squaring both sides gives
[itex]3x+ 1= x-1+ 4\sqrt{x-1}+ 4[/itex].

Now subtract x+ 3 from both sides: [itex]2x- 2= 4\sqrt{x-1}[/itex] and divide by 2.
[itex]x- 1= 2\sqrt{x-1}[/itex] and square again.

(x-1)2= x2- 2x+ 1= 4(x- 1) so x2- 6x+ 5= 0.
That factors as (x- 5)(x- 1)= 0 which has x= 1 and x= 5 as solutions.

Checking: if x= 1 then 3x+1= 4 and x-1= 0. Yes [itex]\sqrt{4}-\sqrt{0}= 2[/itex].
If x= 5, then 3x+1= 16 and x- 1= 4. Yes, [itex]\sqrt{16}- \sqrt{4}= 4-2= 2[/itex].
 
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boaz said:
according to next formula :
[itex](a+b)^2=a^2+2ab+b^2[/itex]
however, in your example :
[itex]a=2; b=\sqrt{x-1}[/itex]
Oh so that's how you get it :rolleyes:
Thank to all who helped. :smile:
 
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u guys makes it too complicated. why don't u just substitute 'x' by 1
 
  • #13
because although x=1 works, it may not be the only solution. after fiddling with the original equation you get a quadratic which has 2 solutions.
 
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