Coffee temperature and time of milk addition

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the temperature of coffee after the addition of milk, comparing two scenarios: one where milk is added immediately and another where it is added after a delay. Participants explore the factors influencing the final temperature of the coffee, including cooling rates and the amount of milk added.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Debate/contested, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Youri's coffee is suggested to be hotter because the rate of cooling is proportional to the temperature difference between the coffee and its surroundings.
  • Some participants argue that the final temperature depends on the amount of milk added, noting that a larger quantity may lead to a greater cooling effect.
  • There are considerations regarding heat loss mechanisms, including radiation, conduction, and convection, which may affect the cooling rates differently depending on the scenario.
  • One participant humorously suggests an extreme hypothetical where Saku's coffee is at a very low temperature, implying that under certain conditions, Youri's coffee would still be hotter.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the temperature outcome is influenced by various factors, but there is no consensus on the definitive answer, as multiple competing views remain regarding the effects of milk quantity and cooling mechanisms.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the amount of milk added, the specific cooling rates, and the environmental conditions affecting heat loss, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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Youri takes a coffee and adds some milk at room temperature to it.

Saku takes a black coffee and adds the same amount of milk but 10 minutes later.

Which coffee is the hotter and why?

I think that Youri's coffee would be hotter since the temperature variation is proportional to the temperature difference hence it'll cool down slower.
 
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asfd said:
I think that Youri's coffee would be hotter
Right, because the rate of cooling is proportional to the temperature difference between the coffee surface and the surroundings (ignoring convection).
 
I think that the real answer is: it depends.

If you add lots of milk, then for sure the change of rate of cooling due to lower absolute temperature will dominate.

But if you add just a bit of milk to change the color of coffee, you might actually get it to cool slightly slower. That depends of course how much heat (percentage-wise) is lost through radiation from cup's walls, how much is lost through conduction to the table, how much goes out via convection, and how much is radiated from the top surface :) If there's a significant amount of heat lost due to radiation from the top surface, then making the coffee lighter will decrease radiated heat flux.

Cheers
 
I'd say if Youri's cofee was a few degrees less than it's boiling point, and Saku's was frozen at about 5 degrees kelvin, that Youri's would be hotter.
 

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