Phi- normal distribution (how to look normal tables )

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The discussion revolves around how to use a normal distribution table to find values of the inverse normal function, specifically φ^-1(0.25). Participants are exploring the differences between standard normal tables and other forms of normal tables, as well as the implications of symmetry in the normal distribution.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on how to find φ^-1(0.25) using a normal distribution table, expressing frustration over the process.
  • Another participant provides a detailed explanation of how to use a standard normal table, noting that it only provides positive z values and explaining the symmetry of the normal distribution.
  • A third participant points out that their course uses a different type of normal table that does not include negative z values, asking for an explanation tailored to that table.
  • A later reply acknowledges the difference in tables and suggests that the participant should look for z such that φ(z) = 0.25, indicating that they need to find the corresponding z value for φ(z) = 0.75 in their table.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the use of different types of normal tables and how to interpret them. There are competing views on how to approach the problem based on the type of table being used.

Contextual Notes

There is an assumption that the normal table being used by one participant is different from the standard normal table, which may lead to confusion in finding the correct values. The discussion highlights the need for clarity on the definitions and formats of the tables being referenced.

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Phi- normal distribution (how to look normal tables!)

hello, can anyone please tell me how to look up values for the following from the "normal table" distribution.

[tex]\phi^-1(0.25)[/tex]


ans. is -0.68 but i can't figure out how the **** it is so!

so please someone reply fast 'cause this simple thing is unnecessarily wasting my time!
 
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A nice online table for the Normal distribution is at
http://people.hofstra.edu/faculty/Stefan_Waner/RealWorld/normaltable.html

To find φ-1(0.25), I would first note that the table,as shown, only gives positive values for z. That is, F(0)= 0 and F(infinity)= 0.5. The standard φ (normal function) has domain -infinity to infinity and φ(0)= 0.5.

To find φ-1(0.25) then, I note that I want the area under the normal curve from -infinity to z (a negative number since 0.25< 0.5) to be 0.25. Because of symmetry, the area under the normal curve from -z (a positive number) to +infinity is also 0.25. That means that the area from 0 to -z (which is what the table gives) must be 0.5- 0.25= 0.25 also. Since I am looking for φ-1, I look in the body of the table to find the number closest to 0.25 and find that it is in the row with 0.6 on the left in the column with 0.08 at the top (actually 0.25 would be between 0.07 and 0.08) that tells me that -z= 0.68 and so z= -0.68.

That can be a little misleading because of the coincidence that 0.5- 0.25= 0.25 Here's a little different problem: what is φ-1(0.3)?

That is: we want to find z such that the area under the normal curve from -infinity to z is 0.3. Because of symmetry, the area from -z to infinity must also be 0.3.
Since the table tells us the area under the curve from 0 to -z, we must look up the z for 0.5- 0.3= 0.2.

Looking in the table, I see that closest number to 0.2, 0.1985 is in the row with 0.5 on the left and in the column headed by 0.02. -z= 0.52 so z is -0.52.

φ-1(0.3)= -0.52.
 
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hi thanks for the reply,

but the table in our course is a "normal table" not "standard normal" ,

so in my table it starts with 0.0 | 0.5.

so when i look value for 0.0 i get 0.5 in the body.

can you please explain in terms of the table that i am having where we don't have to add or subtract 0.5 to get the answer.

thanks!

instead of explain if you can use LaTex and find ans. like solving a sum would be better.

once again thanks!
 
"but the table in our course is a "normal table" not "standard normal" ,

so in my table it starts with 0.0 | 0.5.

so when i look value for 0.0 i get 0.5 in the body."

Okay, I assume, then, that the only problem is that your table does not give negative z values.

To find z such that &phi;(z)= 0.25, you are looking for a z such that the area under the Normal curve to the left of z is 0.25. By symmetry, this is the same as area to the right of -z. Since your table starts with &phi;(0)= 0.5 up to &phi;(infinity)= 1, it is already including the left half. You need to find z such that &Phi;(z)= 1- 0.25= 0.75.
Look in the body of the table for 0.75 (or the closest number to that) and read off the corresponding z value. If &Phi;(z)= 0.75, &Phi;(-z)= 0.25.
 

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