How to Determine Standard Enthalpy Change Using Hess's Law?

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The discussion revolves around determining the standard enthalpy change for the reaction producing hydrogen from methane and steam using Hess's Law. Participants explore various chemical equations and their manipulations to arrive at the desired enthalpy change.

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  • Homework-related, Technical explanation, Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about which equations to switch in order to apply Hess's Law effectively.
  • Another participant suggests adding reactions together and switching their signs as necessary, emphasizing the importance of manipulating the equations correctly.
  • A different participant points out that not all provided reactions are needed to solve the problem, indicating that a simpler solution exists using only three of the equations.
  • One participant proposes switching specific equations (#5 and #6) to find an enthalpy value around 208 kJ.
  • Another participant mentions that multiple methods could be used to solve the problem, suggesting that there may be alternative routes to the solution.
  • One participant reports achieving a value of 205.7 kJ using two different approaches, indicating some consistency in results but not necessarily consensus.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a single method or solution, as there are multiple proposed approaches and values for the enthalpy change. Some express confidence in simpler methods while others remain uncertain.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the problem due to the number of provided equations, which may lead to confusion regarding the necessary steps and assumptions involved in applying Hess's Law.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals seeking to understand how to apply Hess's Law in thermochemistry, particularly in the context of complex reaction equations.

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Hey. I am having trouble with this question:

What is the standard enthalpy change for the production of hydrogen from methane and steam: CH4(g) + H2O(g) -> CO(g) + 3H2(g)

2C(s) + O2(g) -> 2CO(g) Hc= -221.0 kJ
CH4(g) + 2O2(g) -> CO2(g) + 2H2O(g) Hc= -802.7 kJ
CO(g) + H2O(g) -> CO2(g) + H2(g) Hr= -41.2 kJ
2H2(g) + O2(g) -> 2H2O(g) Hc= -483.6 kJ
C(s) + 2H2(g) -> CH4(g) Hf= -74.4 kJ
C(s) + H2O(g) -> CO(g) + H2(g) Hr= 131.3 kJ
2CO(g) + O2(g) -> 2CO2(g) Hc= -566.0 kJ
CO(g) + H2(g) + O2(g) -> CO2(g) + H2O(g) Hr= -524.8 kJ

This question is really complex and I do not know which equations to switch. I don't really know where to start. Could someone please offer some tips on how to do this question and others?
 
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Add all reactions to one another to obtain the final (desired) one. Remember that switching a reaction from left to right also changes its sign; if it is negative, treat this as a positive one.
 
Yes I know that. I am confused because I do not know which ones to switch. I tried this question many times and I still can't get the answer
 
Switch #5 and add with #6. You'll find a value about 208 kJ.
 
Actually, they have provided more reactions than you need. That's what makes it look complex, while in fact, the problem can be solved easily using only 3 of the above equations.

2C(s) + O2(g) -> 2CO(g) Hc= -221.0 kJ
CH4(g) + 2O2(g) -> CO2(g) + 2H2O(g) Hc= -802.7 kJ
CO(g) + H2O(g) -> CO2(g) + H2(g) Hr= -41.2 kJ
2H2(g) + O2(g) -> 2H2O(g) Hc= -483.6 kJ
C(s) + 2H2(g) -> CH4(g) Hf= -74.4 kJ
C(s) + H2O(g) -> CO(g) + H2(g) Hr= 131.3 kJ
2CO(g) + O2(g) -> 2CO2(g) Hc= -566.0 kJ
CO(g) + H2(g) + O2(g) -> CO2(g) + H2O(g) Hr= -524.8 kJ

Remember, there are probably several ways to solve this using any number of the given equations. It may even be possible to use them all, but I'm certainly not going to try that when I've found a simpler way.

Look at the bolded equations and figure out how to manipulate them to get the desired result.

Having done this, try to come up with at least one other alternative route (there's one using only 2 equations). If you do these two things, you'll have little trouble with such problems in the future.

Edit : chem_tr has given away the simpler solution too, so try and look for a third one : I get 205.7 kJ, both ways.
 
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Ok thanks. That makes much more sense now.
 

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