Spin and orbit velocity of electron slows down approaching "c"?

vlassius

[QUOTE=Drakkith;3706555]No atom can ever reach c, nor does the electron work the way you are thinking.


I am not so sure about anything, we can't trust ether the time rate that we live :-)
You can thing that is a thought experiment, if it could get c velocity...
Can you please elaborate more about "nor does the electron work the way you are thinking" please?

Drakkith

You can, but it's pointless since it isn't possible. You'd have no way to know if it was correct or not.

Electrons are not little balls orbiting the nucleus like a planet orbits a star. The details would require an understanding of Quantum Mechanics, so I recommend picking up a book on it instead.

vlassius

The physics of today seems a "Frankstein" to me.
Relativity theory gave us really very important informations but it stops before get c velocity.
We have math problems, we really can not know a lot of things.
We can not even calculate the time component when v=c. The equations that we have do not go there.
I hope see something happening in my lifetime, something to turn this "Frankstein" in a beautiful lady.
Besides, we have a very interesting particle that is at c velocity and we know almost nothing about it too (photon).
What is or is not possible, generally only depends of our knowledge (as human race)

Rob D

[QUOTE=Drakkith;3706555]As above, it would never reach c.[QUOTE]

Of course Professor, I made the mistake of concentrating on my thesis - the stability of the electron wave on it's atom relative to ST- while ignoring the very basic fact that our atom cannot even approach c very closely without a lot of help. "My bad" I think it is...that's right isn't it?

Rob

Drakkith

Our understanding of General Relativity is not based on pure math. The Large Hadron Collider accelerates protons to greater than 99% the speed of light. Just as expected from GR, the faster the protons go, the more energy they need to accelerate. There is an enormous amount of data supporting GR, going back almost a century now. You can choose to believe that it is wrong, but I think the universe has shown us otherwise.

We know a great deal about photons. They are massless, travel at c in a vacuum, can be polarized, have a spin of 1, and more. And whether something is possible or not doesn't depend solely on our knowledge, but more on whether the physical laws of nature allow it to happen. We aren't just making stuff up as we go. All of our knowledge is due to understanding the way the universe works, understanding what is and isn't possible.

jetwaterluffy

I knew that the LHC uses SR, but how does it use GR?

Drakkith

I believe General Relativity includes Special Relativity. Even if only the aspects from SR are applicable, I think saying that GR explains it is fine. Plus I don't believe SR deals with acceleration, and you have to accelerate the protons.