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Feb22-12, 02:45 AM   #171
 

Rick Santorum's candidacy ...


Quote by Hobin View Post
As far as I can see (using my clouded West-European vision ), Romney, Gingrich and Paul are campaigning along the lines of "Yes, religion is very important, and it should definitely have an impact on our laws. Especially christianity. MY brand of christianity."

Santorum, on the other hand, seems to me to be more the kind of person who's all "ZOMG People are pagans, sinners and unholy beings in general! You will all BURN for your sins! We, the christians of faith, are a minority and have the right to actively fight everything unholy in this world. DIE DIE DIE!"

...But maybe that's just me.
I don't think it's just you. It's always good to get the perspective of somebody who doesn't live in the US. Where are you?
 
Feb22-12, 04:06 AM   #172
 
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I don't think it's just you. It's always good to get the perspective of somebody who doesn't live in the US. Where are you?
The Netherlands. I think you could see it in my profile.

Admittedly, I might hold a rather skewed view of politics in the USA, given that I'm not actively involved, so most of the things I've seen are the 'top-rated' stories (and thus the stories that make people think your presidential candidates are idiots). When I try to get a broader view of a candidate's political positions, I check Wikipedia - which I think might not be the most reliable source, given the (almost by definition) controversial nature of politics.

In other words, don't take my opinion too seriously.
 
Feb22-12, 05:48 AM   #173
 
The Israelis tried putting women in combat back in the 1960s and it didn't work. Men are biologically programmed to be protective of women. If you don't think that, then tell me what you'd think of the following situation:

A man and a woman are at home sleeping in bed. A thug starts trying to break in. So the man grabs the children and hides in the closet, leaving his woman to go handle the thug. Now imagine the man trying to explain that to a television news person interviewing them on what happened. People would wonder what on Earth was wrong with that man. It doesn't matter how brave the woman is, that's just the reality of it. And I don't care what anybody says, an injured women crying out in pain has a mental affect on a man different than the same happening to a fellow man.

The other problems with women in combat are simply physical. Women do not have the physical strength for being a combat soldier. There is a large, significant, strength and size differential between men and women.

We have separate men's and women's sports teams. Try making women play on men's hockey teams and soccer teams and so forth. You'd wipe all women out of the sports.

We have separate physical fitness standards for male and female police.
We have separate physical fitness standards for male and female firefighters.
We have separate physical fitness standards for men and women in the military. Why? Because if you made women adhere to the same standards as the men, you'd disqualify a massive number of women from military service.

I am 5'10, 144 lbs, which is pretty thin by man standards and not tall. Maybe slightly above-average in terms of height. Now despite that, I am still stronger than 95% of the women out there. The only women who would be stronger than me are serious athletes who do a lot of strength training. 5'10, 144 lbs is nothing special for a man, but a 5'10, 144 lb woman is pretty big for a woman. That's a real long, tall Sally, if you will. Most women are shorter than 5'10 and if fit, around 100 - 130 lbs.

This creates some major problems when you're talking a job like infantry, where the standard combat load for an 82nd Airborne Division infantryman in Iraq was 130 lbs. Carrying all that weight does hell on a man's body, let alone a woman's:



And that's just standard infantry. To be in something like Special Operations (SEALs, Rangers, Special Forces, etc...), the requirements for marching distance and so forth are much higher.

Now one could say that they should only let women in who could meet the standard, but that wouldn't happen. You'd have so many women fail, that sexism would be cried, and they'd have to push a certain number through. They do this already at Airborne School, which is one of the easiest schools in the military. There's a one pullup requirement. If you can't accomplish one pullup, you're supposed to be disqualified. Do they disqualify all the girls who can't do one pullup though? NOPE, because they'd fail most of them then. It only really applies if you're a guy. To join the Marine Corps, men have to be able to do pullups. The Marine Corps PFT (Physical Fitness Test) is pullups, situps, and a three-mile run. But what is the upper-body test for a woman? A flexed-arm hang. Why? Because requiring girls to do pullups in order to join the Marine Corps would disqualify a whole lot of them. In the Army, the PFT is pushups, situps, and a two-mile run. For the 18-24 year-old men, the minimum number of pushups to pass is 40 in two minutes. What is it for the women? Managing 40 pushups in two minutes is maxing the pushups portion of the PT test for a female.

And even then, the PFTs are misleading. A woman might be capable of acing the men's PFTs for both the Army and Marine Corps, but that just means she can do lots of calisthenics and running. Load her up with a heavy amount of gear, turning her into a pack mule, and then see how far she can march. The PFTs don't really reflect the fitness needed for a combat soldier, they're just physical fitness tests created to have a base standard of PT in the military branches.

Then there's the hygiene issue. Having a vagina creates some serious hygiene problems for women if they are unable to keep that area clean constantly, an issue that men do not have. I think bravery and intelligence-wise, women are equal to men and can do things like fly helicopters and fighter planes just the same, but combat, that is trying to deny millions of years of evolution in terms of programmed behavior and physical capability.
 
Feb22-12, 06:34 AM   #174
 
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As far as I can see (using my clouded West-European vision ), Romney, Gingrich and Paul are campaigning along the lines of "Yes, religion is very important, and it should definitely have an impact on our laws. Especially christianity. MY brand of christianity."

Santorum, on the other hand, seems to me to be more the kind of person who's all "ZOMG People are pagans, sinners and unholy beings in general! You will all BURN for your sins! We, the christians of faith, are a minority and have the right to actively fight everything unholy in this world. DIE DIE DIE!"

...But maybe that's just me.
Well, I should say we shouldn't discuss this stuff. You might just have offended a lot of people with that comment. Btw, I am Dutch too. Seriously, you have no idea what you are getting involved in; US culture is substantially different from northern Europe, and the US is a religious place. You'll just end up insulting a lot of people if you project popular Dutch opinion on the US.
 
Feb22-12, 07:30 AM   #175
 
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Well that's out there. Got any sources to show that's even remotely possible? Because... well, that's out there.
It seems to me the country is still squirmish over the Jessica Lynch story. If you google her - you'll find more stories that she wasn't tortured and raped than those that claim she was - again - seems squirmish to me.
 
Feb22-12, 09:50 AM   #176
 
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The Israelis tried putting women in combat back in the 1960s and it didn't work
Source? When I look for women in the Israeli army I find that they're currently eligible to serve in combat positions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_...e_Forces#Women
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caracal_Battalion
 
Feb22-12, 10:34 AM   #177
 
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Are you certain that he just doesn't want to see American women tortured/raped by animals?
Wow. Most out-there straw man, *ever*.
 
Feb22-12, 11:05 AM   #178
 
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Wow. Most out-there straw man, *ever*.
Why is that a strawman? Wasn't the country holding it's breath when Jessica Lynch was missing?
 
Feb22-12, 11:10 AM   #179
 
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Feb22-12, 11:46 AM   #180
 
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Source? When I look for women in the Israeli army I find that they're currently eligible to serve in combat positions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_...e_Forces#Women
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caracal_Battalion
Not infantry though from what I understand (from what I've read the Caracal battalion isn't real infantry). Also, even if infantry, Israel doesn't have the same level of PC issues like we have in America simply due to their situation. I think I made a mistake on the 1960s, I should have said the 1948 war; Israel tried using women in combat there for about three weeks, but it was very distracting to the men and then they ended it when a group of women got ambushed and was slaughtered.
 
Feb22-12, 12:42 PM   #181
 
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Why is that a strawman? Wasn't the country holding it's breath when Jessica Lynch was missing?
Sure, but not because we were all worried what animal is raping her!

Ah well, this is the Santorum thread, isn't it....
 
Feb22-12, 01:20 PM   #182
 
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Sure, but not because we were all worried what animal is raping her!

Ah well, this is the Santorum thread, isn't it....
Is it mandatory under PC protocol to label my post - IMO - when calling an alleged rapist an animal?
 
Feb22-12, 01:22 PM   #183
 
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Is it mandatory under PC protocol to label my post - IMO - when calling an alleged rapist an animal?
But I don't see how we can prove that this is any sort of endemic problem. THAT is what's out there. It almost seems to me an assumption of "a lot of army people would probably rape women if they were around, so we shouldn't have women in the army". I don't know how you see it, but that's how I see your argument.
 
Feb22-12, 01:28 PM   #184
 
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Is it mandatory under PC protocol to label my post - IMO - when calling an alleged rapist an animal?
It might just be me, but I think it is a bit over-the-line to label front-line soldiers as animals. It is true that the military has slackened standards and has recruited some people that might not have been accepted 5-10 years ago, but that doesn't make them "animals" either.
 
Feb22-12, 01:30 PM   #185
 
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But I don't see how we can prove that this is any sort of endemic problem. THAT is what's out there. It almost seems to me an assumption of "a lot of army people would probably rape women if they were around, so we shouldn't have women in the army". I don't know how you see it, but that's how I see your argument.
The issue isn't sex in the barracks. I'm referring to the treatment of female soldiers at the hands of their captors.
 
Feb22-12, 01:30 PM   #186
 
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It might just be me, but I think it is a bit over-the-line to label front-line soldiers as animals. It is true that the military has slackened standards and has recruited some people that might not have been accepted 5-10 years ago, but that doesn't make them "animals" either.
An enemy soldier that rapes his captive is an animal - IMO.
 
Feb22-12, 01:31 PM   #187
 
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The issue isn't sex in the barracks. I'm referring to the treatment of female soldiers at the hands of their captors.
There go the goal-posts!!
 
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