Jon Huntsman's Candidacy

Greg Bernhardt

Please elaborate

Evo

Women's right to abortion is number one. That is too important to me to waiver on. I was part of the movement that got abortions legalized. Abortions were still illegal when I was in college, and I know girls that got illegal abortions and what they suffered. Making abortions illegal doesn't stop abortions, it makes them dangerous, the rich will just send their daughters off to where they are legal and the rest will risk their lives. I researched the effects of illegal abortion when I was in school and I wrote a paper titled "A case for abortion in the United States", my professor asked me to sign a release because he wanted to use portions of it in a book he was writing. I am pro-choice and will only vote for someone trying to reverse that if there are other crucial things they are for that I feel would outweigh that danger. Most on here probably weren't alive when it was illegal and have no idea what it was like. Of course most men can't even relate, IMO.

The religious have nothing to fear from legal abortions, no one is going to force them to get an abortion, and they have no right to impose their views on others, IMO.

They talk about not funding abortions for the poor, so they would rather fund welfare for the mother and child? They would rather fund social services and foster care? Yeah, I'm riled up. Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face. IMO.

turbo

I was, and I know how bad the repercussions are (unplanned children at a young age, and worse, abortions that were somewhat less than sanitary). Luckily, by the time I was in later HS years, the pill was available.

Evo

Not to mention girls that were not fit emotionally to have children, resulting in child abuse. Many women/girls were left infertile as a result of illegal abortions, others died. We are talking about endagering women's lives. It was a terrible time in our history. Anyway, I'm dragging this thread off topic and don't wish to start a debate.

lisab

CNN is projecting New Hampshire results:

1. Romney 38%
2. Paul 23%
3. Huntsman 17%

Huntsman spent a *lot* of time in New Hampshire. I haven't seen any hard data on it, but judging from what I read, he put in far more time than the others - when they were all in Iowa, he was getting a head start in New Hampshire.

After that much effort, I don't know if a third place finish is going to be good enough to continue on.

Evo

Santorum is supposed to be strong in SC, so that will probably hurt Huntsman. It looks like Romney is it unless someone better throws in their hat last minute and can gain enough support.

I think Christie is a hoot as a stand up comic, but no idea what he believes in.

Jasongreat

I dont understand the abortion issue. If it is a choice issue, arent there a few choices that a woman could make differently before the choice to destroy? Like to have sex or not. As a man if your seed leaves you and fertilizes an egg, you are responsible for your choice. There is even a case, iirc, where a lesbian couple sued a sperm donor for support. If equallity between the sexes is ever to be the way of the land, both sexes need to held to the same standard, make a choice and you live with it.

As far as hunstman, he is no conservative, unless one believes conservatism means government should be grown.

Jack21222

I don't know if abortion is a valid topic to discuss here, and I don't mean to sidetrack the thread by responding to you, but strictly speaking, getting an abortion is taking responsibility for your choices.

turbo

SC will probably sink Huntsman. He is not going to appeal to the evangelicals or the hard-right. Romney may look "inevitable" enough to do OK there, though those groups will have to hold their noses to vote for him. I fear that Huntsman is toast, though IMO he's the most attractive candidate out there.

Char. Limit

Wait, wait, wait. Are you serious? Did they actually try for a case like that? Did it pass? If it did, remind me to stay away from those places... I don't want to get sued!

Evo

He voluntered to be the father and didn't go through an anonymous sperm bank. It was in the UK. They were all "friends". I say it's ridiculous. And it has nothing to do with a woman's right to choose.

Back to topic.

AlephZero

You may be thinking of Germany, according to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sperm_d...aws_by_country.

Remember the German legal system is just about the polar opposite of the US. Everything is illegal unless there is a law that permits it.

Oltz

By that logic prior to birth if a man says he would prefer the woman had an abortion would he then not be responsible for child support?

Or does she get to make that choice on her own and demand child support?

The only part that both parties have a choice in is the act initially I am pro choice ,but if you make it about responsibility the entire argument falls apart.

The man is responsible at conception legally to support the child even if he does not know for 18 years he could be sued for back child support.

Yet (excluding rape) the woman made the same choices at the same time and you are saying she is not responsible until she gets passed whatever point of no return you feel should be legal. (first trimester second third at birth what have you)

EDIT: Unless legal documents become needed prior to any brith giving consent of both parties and binding them legally to support the child....or relent all rights to support from a non consenting father.

Evo

That's how it should be, IMO. It's unfair otherwise. Our laws are outdated. It's no longer a time when women were restricted from getting an education and a decent job and if they got pregnant it was the man's *duty* to provide support.

Jack never said any such thing.

Bolding mine.

ThomasT

I agree. The assertion, by devout Christian conservatives, is that an unborn fetus has legal rights. Silly? Imho, yes.

This is maybe somewhat off-topic, but then the abortion issue seems to be considered to be an important one by GOP candidates in general.

Evo

But many first term pregnancies naturally abort anyway. I could get real graphic here about why they are not considered viable, but I hope our members get it.

Seriously, can we PLEASE get off this and back to the topic?

ThomasT

The topic is John Huntsman's candidacy, and since abortion rights are an important topic wrt GOP candidates and their apparent constituency, then John Huntsman's position on this is relevant, and discussions about it are relevant.