Is the Universe Never Ending?

cephron

Yes, agreed.
Not necessarily. Creationism doesn't speak for all of religion. I don't think the statement above is either a definition of religion, a necessary implication, or a common denominator across religions...

But again...on topic: found the article where Hawking shows that information is not lost in black holes. My mistake; I thought it was recent, but it's actually really old. Article is here: http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/week207.html
Doesn't this show that there are no "bits of our universe being cast off somewhere"? We get all the energy and information back.
Or when Rob D saidWas he refering not to black holes but something else entirely?

Rob D

No ceph it was blackholes precisely. It amounts to a paradox, something in which I feel Hawking revels, and is centered around the problem that all the conservation laws are broken whenever a BH "eats" matter and it aparently either reorders it in such a manner that we cannot detect it, something that doesn't meet the math or it puts it somewhere else. The question: Where do that matter go? Same for the energy and information swallowed. If it is all imperishable and cannot leave existance, where is it?

I Dinna Kin,
RD

cephron

Well, I'm certainly no expert, but my understanding is that all of this matter, energy and information is radiated back out in the form of Hawking radiation as the black hole evaporates.

phinds

I think the problem is that Hawking radiation takes care of the matter/energy but does NOT take care of the information.

cephron

Well, the article to which I posted a link (4 posts up from this one) seems to say that Hawking thinks the information is preserved. So, if we're working under the premise that "if Hawking is right", then that would suggest that absolutely nothing from our univere is lost in black holes. Of course, that article is almost a decade old now, I don't know about any more recent developments than that...

TheTechNoir

You judged yourself by your age... Repeatedly & redundantly. We get it, you're under the impression that you don't know anything. So therefore it is a waste of our time for you to tell us things. Stick to asking questions if you're going to be insistent on your ignorance.

TheTechNoir

Also you guys are referring to the information paradox, no? I thought Hawking conceded defeat to Susskind eventually.

jetwaterluffy

Didn't they show this idea was mathematically inconsistent recently?

Rob D

I'll have to do some research on the more populist aspects of the debate. I think we're all aware of the friendly intellectual battle that raged between Drs. Hawking and Susskind although I didn't know that it included the quantum constituents of "Hawking Radiation".

Since Feynman is not available settle the matter, and the question is highly hypothetical, I am somewhat loath to ameliorate my previous position absent some good math or hard data.

Best,
RD