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Theory on telepathy and telekinesis

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revan
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Dec15-04, 03:52 PM
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Hello! I'm new to the forums and I wasn't sure where to put this.

Recently I read in the news about the man in Russia found to exihibit telekinetic abilities, he was tested and tested by researchers, and they could find no 'convential' explanation as to why he could make a ball roll across a perfectly flat table while standing a few feet away. The conclusion was that he does indeed have a telekinetic ability, relatively weak but significant enough. On a television programme recently on 'near-death experiences' the issue was raised about the full functionality of the brain. We have extremely limited knowledge of how such an advanced 'machine' functions. However, it was claimed that the brain could have the ability to quantum super-position, be in two or more different places at the exact same moment in time.

It was claimed that this could account for the apparently infinite amount of data storage space that our brain possesses. It was also however claimed that the brain may posibly operate on the theoretical zero-point energy field. This allows the brain to project the mind or conciousness of the person accross vast distances, and through any material. Notable examples of this are the twin telepathy phenomena, where one of a pair of identical twins is able to look at an object and the other situated far away is able to draw. It is also explains the inexplicable emotional connection the mothers seem to share with children, and long term pets seem to have with their owners.

Anyway, back to telekinesis. It was sugggested that all matter is merely floating in a 'sea' of zero point energy. If the brain was somehow able to manipulate these fields, then surely it would be able to move objects, just like u move a rubber dinghy in a swimming pool. This is just my theory on how these psychic phenomena occur. I definately consider these things worthy of serious research, perhaps in a few generations time, with the increasing emphasis on intellectual development in children, perhaps these psychic phenomena will become more and more apparent.

Anyone else have any theories on how psychic phenomena may occur?
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Dec15-04, 04:18 PM
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Welcome to PF revan.

Boy, you covered a lot of wild ideas in a hurry. The first order of business is to obtain convincing evidence of psychic phenomena as you describe. AFAIK, no such evidence exists. Given this fact, the rest is pure speculation with no basis for research. Anecdotal evidence is often interesting but it can't be used reliably. I also suspect that your sources are less than credible.

There is a lot of nonsense coming from Russia and other ex-Soviet states. The free press has run amok and all sorts of wild stories are the norm for now. If there is anything to these Russian claims then it will eventually be confirmed by other credible scientists. Since we don't see the world's press jumping all over the story, we can safely assume for now that the story is false.
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I was very young when this episode aired and don't remember it well, but there was an episode of "Opera" that featured people being trained to move small metal balls that were situated about a foot away from them, simply by concentrating. I remember the explanation being something about the brain manipulating its own electromagnetic field, but as I said, it was a while ago so don't take my word for it (nor would I necessarily trust a man simply because he appeared on a TV show). If this is the case, it would seem to imply that any possible telekinetic power would be limited to the ability to effect a very slight movement in a ferrous object.

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Dec15-04, 11:39 PM
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Theory on telepathy and telekinesis

I always wonde when I see stories about psychic phenomena and the like but never hear anything else about it in follow up. I mostly just figure it was bogus but sometimes the stories are pretty convincing and make me wonder if maybe they just lost funding.
There's one in particular I have been wondering about that was featured in the Fortean Times. Someone was running expiriments involving the supposed psychic connection between twins. They took one twin and placed it in a room connected to a polygraph. The second twin was taken about and exposed to extreme stimulous such as dramatic explosions of confetti and so forth. They video taped both twins in both places with syncronized timers and found that the polygraph supposedly registered a response in the twin timed with the stimulous.
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Dec16-04, 01:46 AM
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Why would you assume that proved a relational response to any event observed by one or the other? Perhaps the brain wave patterns would be similar with, or without external stimuli.
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Dec16-04, 03:00 AM
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Still, is it not safe to say, that there are many many unexplained phenomena regarding the mind/brain/soul. I personally have always found the 'bad vibes' you sometimes experience in certain places. This odd sensation that something isnt quite right, or something bad has happened there. This most commonly happens in old buildings etc. , but sometimes it can occur for me in a street at a particular spot. If it is not simply imagination running amok, then I'd that when ever something horrible happens to a person, it leaves a mark in the fabric of the Universe, a kind of marker of the persons suffering. Suffienctly receptive people can feel these. It is for this reason that I am against building on the site of the WTC, I've visited Ground Zero and the experience was horrifying. I think it is a serious mistake to build on it anything but a memorial and a garden.
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Dec16-04, 04:01 AM
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As for WTC,you know most of america was wildlands a couple of centuries ago,there was hunting and killing prevalant.Maybe they place you live may have been slaughtering place of some tribe of indians by the settlers.Going even back animals had been killing and hunting each other many million years before you were born.
So this WTC thing is BS.
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Dec16-04, 05:19 AM
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Quote Quote by Ivan Seeking
Welcome to PF revan.

Boy, you covered a lot of wild ideas in a hurry. The first order of business is to obtain convincing evidence of psychic phenomena as you describe. AFAIK, no such evidence exists. Given this fact, the rest is pure speculation with no basis for research. Anecdotal evidence is often interesting but it can't be used reliably. I also suspect that your sources are less than credible.

There is a lot of nonsense coming from Russia and other ex-Soviet states. The free press has run amok and all sorts of wild stories are the norm for now. If there is anything to these Russian claims then it will eventually be confirmed by other credible scientists. Since we don't see the world's press jumping all over the story, we can safely assume for now that the story is false.
Hey,Ivan,what evidence would convince you that such phenomenons exist?
I'm also an truly extreme sceptic about these things,since almost all of the mediums have been proven to be highlya adpet frauds,there are so many ways that coul make us foolish...
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Dec16-04, 09:41 AM
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I'm sorry poolwin if you can't read, but I said when something terrible happens to people. I don't mean your run to the mill shoot-bang murder, I mean when the person or people are in true terror, it is at this point I believe that this imprinting occurs. It does not apply to animals, as they do not have intelligent conscious thought like humans do, did you know that poolwin?? I think anyone who does not believe in telepathy, telekinesis and the like, or at least the possibility of it is an idiot. Or very very arrogant to believe that they have the ability to command the full power of their brain. On the bad vibes thing, try visiting Auschwitz and not feeling disturbed by the place.
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Dec16-04, 11:16 PM
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Quote Quote by Chronos
Why would you assume that proved a relational response to any event observed by one or the other? Perhaps the brain wave patterns would be similar with, or without external stimuli.

A polygraph is an instrument that simultaneously records changes in physiological processes such as heartbeat, blood pressure, and respiration. The polygraph is used as a lie detector by police departments, the FBI, the CIA, federal and state governments, and numerous private agencies. The underlying theory of the polygraph is that when people lie they also get measurably nervous about lying. The heartbeat increases, blood pressure goes up, breathing rhythms change, perspiration increases, etc. A baseline for these physiological characteristics is established by asking the subject questions whose answers the investigator knows. Deviation from the baseline for truthfulness is taken as sign of lying.
http://skepdic.com/polygrap.html

Polygraphs don't detect brain waves. The description above should give you an idea why they used it the way they did.
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Dec16-04, 11:24 PM
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http://www.dprogram.com/twin_telepathy.html

Here's an article on the expiriment.
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Dec17-04, 06:14 AM
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Quote Quote by revan
On the bad vibes thing, try visiting Auschwitz and not feeling disturbed by the place.
I'd have to put that and the world trade centre thing down to your prior knowledge of what happened. I don't doubt that standing on a spot where thousands died horribly would send a chill down my spine if I knew about it before I got there, but the question is would it have such an affect if I was completely oblivious?
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Dec17-04, 08:58 AM
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I'm sorry poolwin if you can't read, but I said when something terrible happens to people. I don't mean your run to the mill shoot-bang murder, I mean when the person or people are in true terror, it is at this point I believe that this imprinting occurs. It does not apply to animals, as they do not have intelligent conscious thought like humans do, did you know that poolwin?? I think anyone who does not believe in telepathy, telekinesis and the like, or at least the possibility of it is an idiot. Or very very arrogant to believe that they have the ability to command the full power of their brain. On the bad vibes thing, try visiting Auschwitz and not feeling disturbed by the place.
What about the red indians or the neandrethals or ancient men and all that.If you didn't know about WTC accident(and emotionally affected by it),you wont feel a thing.
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Dec17-04, 09:03 AM
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Quote Quote by TheStatutoryApe
http://www.dprogram.com/twin_telepathy.html

Here's an article on the expiriment.
The experiment they did in that article you gave, seems like a fairly simple experiment! Wouldn’t require much funding. I guess you’d have to get a hold of some twins, and they would of course need to be twins that had a belief that they were telepathic.

My question is, if telepathy is so easy to test, why hasn’t it become a well known fact by now?
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Dec17-04, 10:33 AM
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Has anyone figured out how those schools of cod move in unison as they do? Is it a common electrical current, or a neuro imprint? I think there is some common large field in species like cod, or starlings for that matter. I was in a parking lot, in the center of a large valley. Something caught my eye, to the east in front of the mountains many miles away. 10 miles or so, and way aloft. I stopped because it had been something really odd. I stood and just waited looking to the east, when three large forms appeared out of nowhere against the sky. They were somewhat shaped like 0 + 0 but huge, say 1/2 mile across each of them. They then vanished. I spoke to a woman nearby, and said "You've gotta see this!", she said "What?" I said, "Just a sec, and you will see what I mean." Within a count of 5 the forms reappeared, and she yelled involuntarily. I said, "I mean, isn't that the strangest thing?" We were just laughing, they were huge flights of starlings. They were so in synch that they were turning sideways three groups 1/2 mile wide each, that they would all disappear, and reappear in seconds. When they disappeared, it was total; the reappearance was total and this continued until we went on our separate ways. They had the unity of a large solid object with planar properties that rendered them invisible in rotation. There were millions of those birds all doing the same thing, in the same medium, in the same way, with enormous synchronicity. Many factors contribute to the performance, perhaps even, a common field of energy.
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Dec17-04, 11:05 AM
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You see the same thing with pigeons, but I would think it was follow the leader in flocks of birds, not quite sure it works the same way with schools of fish, but
here's a little information about it, and apparently it isn’t perfect unison, just a combination of vision, smell and a line of sensors along side their bodies. I’m sure species can evolve much faster synchronistic behaviors.

But this is far removed from telepathic communication.
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Dec19-04, 11:50 PM
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Quote Quote by Vast
The experiment they did in that article you gave, seems like a fairly simple experiment! Wouldn’t require much funding. I guess you’d have to get a hold of some twins, and they would of course need to be twins that had a belief that they were telepathic.

My question is, if telepathy is so easy to test, why hasn’t it become a well known fact by now?

It does seem like it would be relatively simple which makes me wonder.
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Hey,Ivan,what evidence would convince you that such phenomenons exist?
I'm also an truly extreme sceptic about these things,since almost all of the mediums have been proven to be highlya adpet frauds,there are so many ways that coul make us foolish...
Any significant and repeatable phenomenon that can be observed under laboratory conditions should be easy to identify as credible. For phenomena that may be "hidden beneath the noise" or that might be affected by factors that we don't understand, I think better experiments may lead to more reliable results. For random and transient phenomenon, often it seems that we can only hope for proof on a case by case basis. Sometimes it is difficult to even imagine what would serve as proof. Voice, video, and sensor data, eyewitness testimony, physical affects on real objects, what is beyond reasonable doubt? If extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, what evidence would be extraordinary? That is a tough problem. Often I have no idea; even if we assume that claim X is completely true.

btw, welcome to PF No-where-man.


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