Calculating Mass of Cloud with Density D(ro)

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The discussion revolves around calculating the mass of a cloud with a specified density function, D(ro) = 3 - ro, and a radius of 2 km. Participants explore the appropriate method for integrating to find the mass, considering different geometric interpretations of the cloud's shape, including spherical and circular forms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the formula mass = density * volume and suggests integrating the density function over a volume using spherical coordinates.
  • Another participant reformulates the integral to clarify the notation and agrees with the initial approach.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the problem might be two-dimensional, interpreting the cloud as a circle rather than a sphere, due to the lack of height information.
  • Some participants consider the possibility of a "disk-like" cloud, which could affect the integration method.
  • One participant confirms that the problem was intended to be solved as a triple integral and hints that a spherical cloud may have been specified.
  • A later reply suggests that assuming a spherical cloud is reasonable and aligns with the initial interpretation of the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of the cloud's shape, with some favoring a spherical model and others considering a two-dimensional circular model. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact geometric representation of the cloud.

Contextual Notes

There are uncertainties regarding the assumptions about the cloud's shape and the implications for the integration method. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the problem's parameters.

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i had to do this some time ago:

assume you have a large cloud or radius 2 km, and its density is defined as D(ro) = 3 - ro (btw i can't find the letter 'ro' anywhere... )

what i the mass of the cloud?

i did it this way: mass = density * volume, so in this case it equals D(ro) * dV, so integrating (triple integral) over V yeilds (triple integral) (3 - ro) * (ro)^2 sin (phi) d ro d theta d phi. is that right?

i hope you can understand my *terrible* notation
 
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Is this what you meant?
[tex]\int_{0}^{\pi}\int_{0}^{2\pi}\int_{0}^{2}(3-\rho)\rho^{2}\sin\phi{d}\rho{d}\theta{d}\phi[/tex]
If that's what you meant, I agree with you :smile:
 
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T@P said:
i had to do this some time ago:

assume you have a large cloud or radius 2 km, and its density is defined as D(ro) = 3 - ro (btw i can't find the letter 'ro' anywhere... )

what i the mass of the cloud?

i did it this way: mass = density * volume, so in this case it equals D(ro) * dV, so integrating (triple integral) over V yeilds (triple integral) (3 - ro) * (ro)^2 sin (phi) d ro d theta d phi. is that right?

i hope you can understand my *terrible* notation


For me it doesn't seem a problem in three dimentions,but rather in 2.I mean the cloud cound have a shape of a circle,and in this case,there should be integrations only after 2 coordinates:[tex]\rho[/tex] and [tex]\phi[/tex].

It looks that way to me,since u're given the radius (of the circle).I've never heard of cilindric clouds,neither of circular ones.But since you aren't given the height,then it should be a circle.
Try to make calcuations for this case and cf.to the result.

Daniel.

EDIT:On the other hand,it might be a sphere.Though it's weird.Anyway,Arildno may be right and disregard what I've written above.
 
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On second thought, I guess they assumed a "disk-like" cloud.
So I would go with dexter's first suggestion.
 
actually the problem was supposed to come out as a triple integral, and yes that was what i meant arildno thanks. ( i think they might have specified a spherical cloud too)
 
You said "assume you have a large cloud or radius 2 km"

I would have assume a spherical cloud. In that case, the simplest thing to do is set up a coordinate system with (0,0,0) at the center of the cloud. The mass then is exactly what arildno said.
 

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