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| Dec20-04, 03:53 AM | #1 |
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The Hessdalen Project
Massimo Teodorani, Ph.D.
Astrophysicist CNR – Istituto di Radioastronomia Via Fiorentina – Medicina (BO) – North ITALY E-mail : mteodorani@ira.cnr.it and mteodorani@libero.it http://www.nidsci.org/pdf/hessdalen.pdf 2001 http://www.itacomm.net/PH/embla2001/embla2001_e.pdf 2002 http://hessdalen.org/reports/EMBLA_2002_2.pdf |
| Dec20-04, 04:12 AM | #2 |
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This is just silly.
It is no mystery in Hessdalen; just a combination of local pranksters, reflection of headlights of cars and a couple of Norwegian crackpots not willing to face up with reality. It's about as real as the Seljord wurm (the reputed Norwegian Nessie) |
| Dec20-04, 04:13 AM | #3 |
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Do you have any links? On what do you base this claim?
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| Dec20-04, 06:19 AM | #4 |
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The Hessdalen Project
It has been debunked thouroughly enough in Norwegian publications.
I don't bother to chase down in painstaking detail every counterclaim which exist against every hare-brained idea which gets concocted by some crackpot. If anything, that ought to be YOUR job, as Mentor of a SKEPTICISM forum. So, learn some Norwegian, and find the evidence yourself. In passing, you shoul read what stands in the conclusion in one of your own pdfs: It goes somewhat like this (was unable to get it out) "...the light phenomenon remains highly elusive..variable.and unpredictable" In plain language, this means: It is only a wishful fantasy to say that these phenomena exist; only the most devoted enthusiasts can attach any significance to the "results". |
| Dec20-04, 01:16 PM | #5 |
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If you wish to make claims then you need to back them up. The anti-crackpot claims can be crackpot themselves.
I find it interesting that debunking claims are often expected to be taken on faith. |
| Dec20-04, 01:20 PM | #6 |
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Yes, I have noted your over-fondness of anecdotal evidence
(for example, in the case of dowsing) |
| Dec20-04, 01:20 PM | #7 |
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I never claimed proof of dowsing.
Why are you changing the subject? |
| Dec20-04, 03:52 PM | #8 |
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This is widely percieved as a credible effort. If there is information showing this to be nonsense then please post it. Since I'm not exactly equipped to handle Norwegian papers maybe you could help us out? Why are Norwegian scientists allowing this to go unanswered everywhere else?
Next, if the author and everyone else believes this to be nonsense then the project wouldn't be funded. I don't agree with you interpretation of the author's conclusions. Finally, I have no personal stake in this or most any claim. You shouldn't assume that I do. |
| Dec20-04, 05:07 PM | #9 |
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Whoa Arildno, settle down! This is a scientific investigation which may find actual scientific explanations for what is being observed. Their hope is to either expose it as fraud or find a scientific explanation. Ivan is only posting information about the research, he made no claims one way or another.
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| Jul18-07, 03:09 AM | #10 |
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| Jul18-07, 09:07 AM | #11 |
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The guy in question is a crackpot engineer who has also "investigated" the claims concerning the Seljord serpent, our national version of Nessie.
He is not to be credited, before he publishes something in a peer-reviewed journal. |
| Jul18-07, 10:40 AM | #12 |
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Sometimes people just like attention. Sorry to take the discussion more offtrack. But I do agree Ivan, if anyone has some information about the debunking of this project then please post some links. I don't trust anyone here's opinion more than the scientists that did the experiment. (I don't truely trust anyone's knowledge of anything really...) |
| Jul18-07, 11:57 AM | #13 |
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There is only one burden of proof here and it lies on the one making the claim that something is happening. And certainly the fact that the guy doing the research believes in it means nothing whatsoever. Pons, Fleishman, and Joe Newman all believed in their work as well. Regarding the article in the OP, it contains some very mundane pictures, no control data for the spectrum analyzer, an awful lot of idle speculation, and no conclusions. There just isn't anything there to debunk - it doesn't say anything useful. |
| Jul18-07, 01:43 PM | #14 |
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Oestfold College is a very low level institution with minimal prestige.
The only scientific establishments in Norway worthy of mention are our 4 universities, in Oslo, Bergen, Trondheim (NTNU) and Tromsø. |
| Jul18-07, 10:43 PM | #15 |
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| Jul18-07, 10:50 PM | #16 |
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| Jul18-07, 10:59 PM | #17 |
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If this is all crackpot, then back up your assertions with more than lemons. Personally, and apparently unlike you and Russ, I don't know or could care if this is all credible or not. I have no personal vested interest. It is what it is, but we are interested in the facts and not just clearly biased opinions. I asked you to post some of those many Norwegian papers debunking all of this. Where are they? |
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