Understanding the Limit of $\left(1-\frac{a}{n}\right)^{n}$ for Real $a$

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The discussion centers on the limit of the expression $\left(1-\frac{a}{n}\right)^{n}$ as $n$ approaches infinity for real values of $a$. Participants explore various approaches to demonstrate that this limit equals $e^{-a}$, addressing both theoretical and mathematical reasoning aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about showing that $\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} \left(1-\frac{a}{n}\right)^{n} = e^{-a}$, particularly questioning the equivalence of limits when substituting variables.
  • Another participant clarifies that the definition of $e$ applies regardless of whether $a$ is positive or negative, and suggests using logarithmic properties and L'Hôpital's rule for rigor.
  • A different participant asserts that the limit $\lim_{n \to -\infty}\left(1+\frac{1}{n}\right)^n=e$ is also valid, indicating a broader context for the limit's behavior.
  • Concerns are raised about whether $-ax$ must be an integer, questioning the implications of using real numbers versus integers in the limit expression.
  • One participant counters that the identity for $e$ holds true for real $x$, not just integers, reinforcing the generality of the limit.
  • A later reply reiterates the original confusion, restating the approach to the limit and emphasizing the importance of the sign of $a$ while noting that it should not be zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement. While some affirm the validity of the limit and its application to real numbers, others question specific assumptions and the treatment of variable substitutions, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved on certain points.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations in their reasoning, such as the dependence on the treatment of variable limits and the implications of using integers versus real numbers in the context of the limit.

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I don't understand how to show that

[tex]\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} \left(1-\frac{a}{n} \left)^{n} = e^{-a} \ \ \forall a \in \mathbb{R}[/tex]

For exemple, if I say "Let x be the real number such that [itex]n=-ax \Leftrightarrow x=-n/a[/itex]. Then the limit is equivalent to

[tex]\lim_{-ax \rightarrow \infty} \left(1+\frac{1}{x} \right)^{-ax} = \left(\lim_{-ax \rightarrow \infty} \left(1+\frac{1}{x} \right)^{x} \right)^{-a}[/tex]

"but [itex]-ax \rightarrow \infty[/itex] is not equivalent to [itex]x \rightarrow \infty[/itex], so I can't conclude that the limit is [itex]e^{-a}[/itex].

What am I missing here ? :confused:
 
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a is constant. true, x will either be going to negative or positive infinity depending on the sign of a, but the definition of e works for either:

let: [tex]u = -x[/tex]

[tex]e = \lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} (1+\frac{1}{x} )^{x}[/tex]

[tex]= \lim_{-u \rightarrow \infty} (1+\frac{1}{-u} )^{-u}[/tex]

[tex]= \lim_{u \rightarrow -\infty} (\frac{1}{(1-\frac{1}{u})})^{u}[/tex]

[tex]= \lim_{u \rightarrow -\infty} (\frac{1+\frac{1}{u}}{(1-\frac{1}{u^2})})^{u}[/tex]

and the 1/u2 term becomes negligible, giving the result:

[tex]e = \lim_{u \rightarrow -\infty} (1+\frac{1}{u} )^{u}[/tex]

edit: that may not be rigorous enough. you can show the bottom of the fraction above goes to 1 by taking the ln and using l'hospital's. in fact, you might want to just do that from the start.
 
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[tex]\lim_{n \to -\infty}\left(1+\frac{1}{n}\right)^n=e[/tex] is true too.
 
Shouldn't -ax be an integer anyway?

Ok, the limit of (1+1/n)^n is e when n ->oo and n is an integer

but what happens when we get the value
(1+1/x)^x
where x is a very large real but not an integer ??

Shouln't we prove this cases ?
 
The identity e = lim(1+1/x)^x is true whether x is an integer or not (as you implicitly use yourself).
 
quasar987 said:
I don't understand how to show that

[tex]\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} \left(1-\frac{a}{n} \left)^{n} = e^{-a} \ \ \forall a \in \mathbb{R}[/tex]

For exemple, if I say "Let x be the real number such that [itex]n=-ax \Leftrightarrow x=-n/a[/itex]. Then the limit is equivalent to

[tex]\lim_{-ax \rightarrow \infty} \left(1+\frac{1}{x} \right)^{-ax} = \left(\lim_{-ax \rightarrow \infty} \left(1+\frac{1}{x} \right)^{x} \right)^{-a}[/tex]

"but [itex]-ax \rightarrow \infty[/itex] is not equivalent to [itex]x \rightarrow \infty[/itex], so I can't conclude that the limit is [itex]e^{-a}[/itex].

What am I missing here ? :confused:


Elegance is a quality of mathematics:
[tex]\lim_{n\rightarrow +\infty}(1-\frac{a}{n})^{n}=[\lim_{n\rightarrow +\infty}(1+\frac{1}{\frac{n}{-a}})^{\frac{n}{-a}}]^{-a}=[\lim_{\frac{n}{-a}\rightarrow\pm\infty}(1+\frac{1}{\frac{n}{-a}})^{\frac{n}{-a}}]^{-a}=e^{-a}[/tex]
,where i made use of:
[tex]\lim_{n\rightarrow\pm\infty}(1+\frac{1}{n})^{n}=e[/tex]

Daniel.

PS.The sign of "a" is irrelevant.It's important for it not to be "0".
 

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