# Never get a ticket again!

by karen03grae
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 Emeritus P: 1,919 Lets see those pigs try and catch me in my B-2. Although, it might be a little difficult to drive around in downtown miami during rush hour.
 Sci Advisor PF Gold P: 2,793 Some types of hair spray (along with many commercially available coatings) are alleged to reduce the efficacy of a gatso/truvelo style camera being able to read your number plate, however this is nothing to do with the radar itself (which is of course merely the mechanism used to trigger the camera sequence).
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 Quote by brewnog Some types of hair spray (along with many commercially available coatings) are alleged to reduce the efficacy of a gatso/truvelo style camera being able to read your number plate, however this is nothing to do with the radar itself (which is of course merely the mechanism used to trigger the camera sequence).
Now this sounds infinitely reasonable. It shouldn't be too difficult to put a grating over the license plate that would become opaque when viewed from an angle of greter than, say, 30 degrees from straight on. I used to have laptops that accomplished that task very well.

Since most of the pictures I've seen enclosed with the tickets seem to be at a fairly high angle, they wouldn't be able to read the license plate, although people on the ground would be able to read it just fine.
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 Quote by Grogs It shouldn't be too difficult to put a grating over the license plate that would become opaque when viewed from an angle of greter than, say, 30 degrees from straight on.
That's exactly how they work*, as I recall.

Anyone know whether the standard distance between the measuring range and the camera is variable for different speed limits? I'd guess no, I might do some research...

(* - they don't always work, I'm told.)
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 Quote by karen03grae fundamentally, i do not see the hazard in moving 85 mph relative to a stationary observer..hehe...versus 65mph

1) More likely to lose control.
2) Less likely to be able to stop in an emergency.
3) More likely to lose control when trying to stop in the above emergency.

You must not be very smart if you've had the training you say you have and still haven't figured it out.
 P: 82 At 85mph I am NOT more likely to lose control-if I am paying attention which I do-. Your first point doesn't even make sense. How can simply driving faster cause me too be more likely to lose control? Unless the roads are wet or there is some adverse condition. Did you mean to say that in the case of an accident I would be more likely to lose control? Your third point? I think so. And secondly, I would still be able to stop in the same amount of time, in an emergency, as if I were not speeding. I DO keep the 2-3 sec rule for following cars. In fact, I comply with nearly all of the rules I learned in my 4 sessions of Defensive Driving.....except speeding. And in your 3rd point, more likely is probably a figure like 2% more likely. That's the way I see it anyway. But there is really no way to tell unless a real driver is put in those situations.
 P: 1,401 "How can simply driving faster cause me too be more likely to lose control" Hmmm, Thats easy, the faster you are going the quicker your reactions have to be! The majority of accidents arent your fault, but some idiot who cant drive doing some wild manuvers in front of you while you are crusing in your 911 Turbo! (heh) Now if you are going faster you will have less time to react to the idiot in front of you! I have driven in Germany (On my way to Frankfurt from the 'Dam) and beileve me at 220KM/h (130mph) you need quick reactions... The thing I never understood about the lack of national speed limits in DE is that there roads arent that great! But the drivers typically were good, for example if there is a sudden reason for people to slow down everyone hits there hazards which enables people to slow down in time! The thing thats got me tho, was coming back. As soon as you get over the border to the Netherlands again you need to slow right down to 120KM/h which is can be bloody difficlut when you are use to 220KM/h The Dutch police must rack in the cash at the border between DE and NL due to speeding tickets
 P: 82 What kind of car did you have?
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 Quote by karen03grae What kind of car did you have?
Opel Zafira GSi (hire car.. hence why I was belting it)
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 Quote by karen03grae At 85mph I am NOT more likely to lose control-if I am paying attention which I do-. Your first point doesn't even make sense. How can simply driving faster cause me too be more likely to lose control? Unless the roads are wet or there is some adverse condition. Did you mean to say that in the case of an accident I would be more likely to lose control? Your third point? I think so.
No, you are much more likey to lose control PERIOD. Any number of things can distract your attention and the faster you are going the more likely you are to lose control.

 Quote by karen03grae And secondly, I would still be able to stop in the same amount of time, in an emergency, as if I were not speeding. I DO keep the 2-3 sec rule for following cars. In fact, I comply with nearly all of the rules I learned in my 4 sessions of Defensive Driving.....except speeding.
Oh come on! You cannot possibly be serious. You cannot stop in the same amount of time doing 85 MPH compared to a slower speed. Not only that, the time is not what is directly relevant. Stopping DISTANCE is what really counts. So, the faster you are going the LESS time you have to stop because you are covering more ground per unit of time. 2-3 second rule? Judging by your previous posts, I don't want to give you the benefit of the doubt as to what that actually is. It is X number of seconds per every Y miles per hour.

 Quote by karen03grae And in your 3rd point, more likely is probably a figure like 2% more likely. That's the way I see it anyway. But there is really no way to tell unless a real driver is put in those situations.

You are not panic proof. You are coming up on a car or group of cars that are doing oh, say 55 MPH and you are doing 85. You have every intention of passing safely. Some other idiot pulls out to pass and you are immediately on their a$$. You hit the brakes, lose control, yadda yadda yadda. You speak of defensive driving. Do you actually know what that is? It can be summed up by saying that you drive with the assumption that every other driver on the road is going to do something stupid. If you were really driving that way we wouldn't be having this discussion. When they are scraping your guts off of the highway I won't be crying. P: 82  Quote by Averagesupernova Some other idiot pulls out to pass and you are immediately on their a$$. You hit the brakes, lose control, yadda yadda yadda.
Yeah, every time someone pulls out in front of me I hit my brakes and lose control. I don't know what kind of cars you drive but the one I have doesn't "lose control" when I apply the brakes. Even at 85 when someone going 55 pulls out in front of me. That would not happen all of the time anyway.
 Emeritus PF Gold P: 1,188 i always love it when someone wants to pass me going 20mph faster, but then we each come to a stoplight. essentially, all you do is wear on your car faster and burn your gas less efficiently.
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 Quote by karen03grae Yeah, every time someone pulls out in front of me I hit my brakes and lose control. I don't know what kind of cars you drive but the one I have doesn't "lose control" when I apply the brakes. Even at 85 when someone going 55 pulls out in front of me.
You're utterly ignorant of the fact that the faster you're going, the less room you have for error. The best driver in the world wouldn't be able to avoid a collision if someone doing 40 pulled out directly in front of you doing 90. You're an idiot, I hope you crash into a tree.
 P: 1,401 I think the word we are looking for is obstinance
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 Quote by brewnog You're an idiot, I hope you crash into a tree.
Gee thanks.

I am sorry I ever started this thread.

Only law abiding physics questions for me now.

Everyone have a great New Year...don't worry, I won't be on the road!

--Karen
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 Quote by Kerrie i always love it when someone wants to pass me going 20mph faster, but then we each come to a stoplight. essentially, all you do is wear on your car faster and burn your gas less efficiently.
but it is more fun....

ok, now i have something to say on a more serious note.

Even IF you had a coating that deflected radar from ur plate....wouldn't you have to outrun the cops in order to get away with it? I don't know where u live, it may be different, but I live in Ottawa, Canada, and here when u speed by a cop they just put their sirens on, drop their donuts, and drive after you until you pull over. Then they walk up to ur car, and read the your liscence plate...with their eyes. So a anti-radar coating on ur liscence plate wouldn't help much. Unless you put it all over your car so that the radar gun couldn't figure out how fast your going.

So, my suggestion is get your own radar so that you can see where speed traps are before you get to them

or....if u have a ferrari or equivalent THEN you can probably outrun the cops...but I wouldnt' suggest it.
 P: 112 I think that the leiense plate coating is for photo-radar, not ordanary police doing radr at the side of the road. Photoradar takes pictures of the liesence plates of the cars that are speeding.
 Sci Advisor PF Gold P: 2,793 Yep, the number plate cover things are only good for roadside speed cameras. You'll still get clocked (there's plenty on the back/front of your car for the radar to bounce off), but when they come to sending you a ticket they won't be able to read the number plate on the photo.

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