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| Dec28-04, 02:05 AM | #1 |
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to cause and to make?
What's the difference between "to cause" and "to make" in this context:
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| Dec28-04, 05:44 PM | #2 |
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Does logical fatalism really say that the truth of a proposition causes its manifestation in reality? I think Schwarz might be arguing a straw-man here.
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| Dec29-04, 12:49 AM | #3 |
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He's saying that a proposition makes an event true today because it has happened, but he says it does not cause it to be true. I don't see the difference between making and causing something to occur.
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| Dec29-04, 12:54 AM | #4 |
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to cause and to make?
I still don't follow his reasoning. A proposition is only a statement. Stating something to be true doesn't make it true. The truth of a statement is determined through empirical investigation.
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| Dec29-04, 12:57 AM | #5 |
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He makes a clearer example following the aforementioned one:
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| Dec29-04, 01:07 AM | #6 |
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Sure. He's saying exactly what I'm saying - that making a true statement does not cause the event the statement is describing to occur. I don't know of anyone who says that it does. This is where my question comes in. What position exactly is he arguing against?
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| Dec29-04, 01:21 AM | #7 |
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He is confusing an instance of a proposition with the proposition itself.
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| Dec29-04, 01:46 AM | #8 |
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| Dec29-04, 02:02 AM | #9 |
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Therefore, the future is not determined. I hope his other arguments are better, because that aint one to send home to mother. |
| Dec29-04, 02:55 AM | #10 |
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His other arguments are okay.
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| Dec29-04, 11:49 AM | #11 |
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His argument is incorrect. He argues that stating a proposition which happens to be true does not cause the event which the proposition represents to happen. What he NEEDS to argue, to support his thesis, is that the proposition ITSELF which is true--independent of any statement of it--does not determine (whether by causation or not) the event which it represents.
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