Has there been identical (N>2)-tuplets?

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The discussion revolves around the occurrence of genetically identical human siblings beyond the case of identical twins, specifically focusing on the existence of identical triplets and higher-order multiples. It includes considerations of biological mechanisms, statistical probabilities, and personal experiences related to the phenomenon.

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  • Some participants inquire about recorded instances of genetically identical siblings beyond twins.
  • One participant expresses a common misconception that higher-order multiples are always identical twins, indicating a lack of information in educational resources.
  • Another participant outlines the three combinations of triplets: monozygotic triplets, dizygotic twins with a singleton, and trizygotic triplets, noting the rarity of monozygotic triplets before fertility treatments.
  • A participant proposes a statistical model for the incidence of identical triplets based on the incidence of identical twins, suggesting a probability of 2I² for triplets.
  • A personal account is shared by a participant who has identical triplet girls, emphasizing that their occurrence is not hereditary and providing statistical estimates regarding their rarity.
  • One participant clarifies that the increase in monozygotic multiples due to fertility treatments does not imply a causal relationship, as fertility methods primarily affect the number of eggs released rather than the splitting of zygotes.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and knowledge about the topic, with some agreeing on the rarity of identical triplets while others present differing views on the implications of fertility treatments. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the statistical models and the overall incidence of identical higher-order multiples.

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There are limitations in the available data regarding the statistics of identical triplets and higher-order multiples, as well as assumptions made in the proposed statistical models. The discussion reflects a mix of personal experiences and theoretical considerations without definitive conclusions.

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Have there been any recorded instances of genetically identical human siblings other than identical twins?
 
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You know, until you asked, I always thought that triplet, quads, quins etc were all always Identical twins.
I looked it up in my biology textbook, but it didn't have anything to say on the topic (that I could find anyway) So well..yeah... I have nothing of any use to say I guess.
 
Triplets can come in three combinations:

1. Monozygotic triplets
2. From 2 zygotes, one of which splits, leaving two identical twins, and a 'singleton' (dizygotic)
3. From 3 separate zygotes (trizygotic)

Monozygotic triplets were extremely rare before fertility treatments. I guess the same came happen to higher order n-tuplets, but at a much lower rate.
 
Say the natural incidence of identical twins is I (~1/100). Wouldn't the incidence of identical triplets be 2I2 (~1/5000)?

Since the probability of the initial zygote separating into identical twins is I, the probability of either resultant zygote further separating once should also be I, and when both resultants are considered together for triplets, 2I. Overall, then, the incidence of triplets should be 2I2.
 
I have identical triplet girls, so yes, it is possible, and is not known to be hereditary (the occurrence of identicals are equal across all ethnicities, backgrounds, etc). My girls are true identicals, not mirror image. Also, they are monochorionic triamniotic triplets (one big sac around three separate ones). As you've probably discovered, there is very little information as far as statistics regarding the phenomenon. From what the doctors figured, using the rate of identical triplets over all triplets (less than 4% of the time) and the rate of triplet births for every birth (?), it's about 1 in 4 million births. Hope this helps...
 
Oh yeah, monozygotic multiples have not increased more than the birth rate since fertility methods have increased because the two are not linked in a cause-and-effect relationship. Fertility methods often increase the number of eggs released before fertilization, not the ability of a zygote to fracture. Identicals are formed by the "freakish" splitting of the zygote on its own whim :) ~ Loren
 

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