Where Does Half of the Work Done by a Battery Go in a Capacitor Circuit?

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The discussion revolves around the energy dynamics in a capacitor circuit powered by a battery, specifically addressing the question of where the additional work done by the battery goes, given that only half of it appears to be stored in the capacitor. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications regarding energy conservation, circuit behavior, and the implications of ideal versus real components.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the energy stored in a capacitor is given by the formula \( \frac{q^2}{2C} \), while the work done by the battery is \( qV \), questioning the fate of the remaining energy.
  • Another participant argues that in a circuit with zero resistance, the initial current would be limited by inductance, leading to oscillations in voltage rather than a steady state, which challenges the premise of the original question.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that capacitors inherently possess resistance due to displacement currents in the gap between electrodes, implying that energy loss occurs even in idealized scenarios.
  • One participant references standard physics texts and suggests a method to analyze the problem using an RC circuit, emphasizing the need for careful consideration of changing charge during the charging process.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of self-energy in capacitance as a potential explanation for the energy discrepancy, proposing that this perspective may offer insights beyond conventional resistance considerations.
  • A later reply raises the paradox of charging a capacitor at constant voltage, highlighting the relationship between voltage and charge in defining capacitance.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of ideal versus real circuit components, the role of resistance and inductance, and the interpretation of energy conservation in capacitor circuits. No consensus is reached on the explanations provided.

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The discussion includes assumptions about ideal conditions, such as zero resistance and inductance, which may not hold in practical scenarios. The implications of these assumptions on energy dynamics remain unresolved.

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We know that energy stored in capacitor=

[tex]\int \frac{q}{C} dq = \frac{q^2}{2C} = qV/2[/tex]

But work done by battery = qV

Where does the other qV/2 go ?

Assume NO resistance in circuit

The potential of the battery does not change with time
 
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If the circuit really had zero resistance then the initial current would be limited by the circuit's inductance. And it would never reach a steady state - the voltage on the capacitor would oscillate between 0 and 2V, with energy being transferred back and forth between the capacitive and inductive elements.

The situation with no resistance and no inductance is not possible - it would lead to an infinite current flow, and the capacitor would charge in zero time.
 
Cap Resistance

Unless a capacitor in totally enclosed it is by definition an open spaced device
i.e. there is a gap between the electrodes . As a cap charges there is a current in this gap called the displacement current -- such currents are the cause of or due to the fields which exist in the gap , and they can escape.
Any field energy which escapes can be modeled as resistace so that by definition a capacitor has resistance --- it can be very small but that only means that if the inductance approaches zero the the currents are very large so the effect is the same -- energy loss to space.
Plus Septimus is correct in that a cap has to occupy some spatial dimension ( with conductors ) any such arrangement will also have inductance so the net result is that any cap has both ind , and res except in the totally imaginary condition which then gives rise to the paradox.
Ray.
 
This is generally covered in freshman physics (see, for example, Halliday and Resnick, or the more advanced Smythe Static and Dynamic Electricity). The easiest way for you to solve your problem is to start with a battery-capacitor system, with the capacitor having no potential difference across its plates. (For mathematical ease, put in a resistor to get an RC circuit and let resistance -> 0 at the end), close the switch and calculate the charging current. Note that q is not constant so setting work=qV is not correct, unless you work with differentials. In fact, a standard way to derive the basic circuit equations, LRC, is to start with a statement of conservation of energy in terms of circuit properties. With a little work, you'll be able to answer your own question.

Regards,
Reilly Atkinson
 
There is possibly another more fundamental explanation...based on the self energy of the capacitance. This comes from something I read in an electromagnetics text a few days ago and it appears to me that the self energy computations for the configuration being discussed should give us a clue as to where the (1/2) factor gets "eaten up".

Even though our general physics books discuss this as an outcome of a series resistance, it is probably better to think about self energy.

Here is a list of research papers which have addressed this problem more formally: http://www.smpstech.com/charge.htm (some of these may not be totally germane to the present discussion).
 
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You might also think about the inherent paradox of attempting to charge a capacitor at a constant voltage. The whole definition of capacitance relates the voltage across it to the amount of charge present.
 

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