Asteroid hitting the Earth and causing a devastating Tsunami

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The discussion revolves around the potential impact of an asteroid hitting the Earth and its capacity to generate a devastating tsunami, similar to the one experienced in Indonesia. Participants explore various asteroid sizes, impact velocities, and the resultant tsunami effects, engaging in calculations and hypothetical scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the size of an asteroid needed to cause a tsunami comparable to the Indonesian disaster, suggesting a VW beetle-sized asteroid could have significant effects.
  • Another participant estimates that an asteroid 1400 feet in diameter could create a tsunami wave of 1000 feet high, traveling at 800 mph, leading to regional devastation.
  • Calculations presented indicate that a 1400-foot asteroid at 8 miles/sec could generate a 5.5 magnitude earthquake at a distance of 100 miles from the impact, though this does not directly address tsunami generation.
  • Further calculations suggest that a larger asteroid, around 4000 meters in diameter, could cause global devastation, with references to historical events like the KT impactor.
  • Participants discuss the mechanics of tsunami generation, noting that an asteroid impact would displace large volumes of water differently than an earthquake, potentially leading to larger waves.
  • References to laboratory models and historical evidence of mega-tsunami generation from landslides are mentioned to support claims about the impact of asteroid-induced waves.
  • Some participants express confusion about the graphical representations of tsunami waves in related papers, discussing the scaling of graphs and the implications for wave height.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the size and impact of asteroids, with no consensus on the exact parameters needed to generate a tsunami. Disagreements exist regarding the calculations and the mechanisms of tsunami generation from asteroid impacts.

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Participants rely on various assumptions regarding asteroid size, impact velocity, and water depth, which may affect the outcomes of their calculations. The discussion includes references to external studies and models that have not been universally accepted or verified within the thread.

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Does anyone know the calculation (asteroid size..etc), for an Asteroid hitting the Earth and causing a devastating Tsunami of the propotions as seen in Indonesia?

It seems to me that I had heard that an Asteroid the size of a VW beetle, if hitting the Earth head on, and landing at the same location off Sumatra, would cause a Tsunami more devastating than the current natural disaster, is this possible?
 
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It think one just a quarter mile in diameter (1400 feet) like 2004 MN4 would create a wave of 1000 feet high traveling 800 Mph into the shore creating regional devastation. It was predicted to hit April 13th @ 9:36 pm 2029 a few days ago but futher study shows it will miss.
 
HERE it is. It doesn't say anything about a tsunami unfortunately, but putting in a 1400ft object at 8 miles/sec velocity gives a 5.5 earthquake 100 miles from the impact point. I think that's in the ballpark, if a little smaller, than what was felt from this earthquake.
 
russ_watters said:
HERE it is. It doesn't say anything about a tsunami unfortunately, but putting in a 1400ft object at 8 miles/sec velocity gives a 5.5 earthquake 100 miles from the impact point.
The 5.5 figure refers to the magnitude at the epicenter or point of impact. You can change the distance from point of impact and the Richter magnitude stays the same.



I think that's in the ballpark, if a little smaller, than what was felt from this earthquake.
It is not in the ballpark. To get a 9.0 Richter reading, I input:

  • Distance from Impact: 200.00 km = 124.20 miles
  • Projectile Diameter: 4000.00 m = 13120.00 ft = 2.48 miles
  • Projectile Density: 3000 kg/m3
  • Impact Velocity: 17.00 km/s = 10.56 miles/s
  • Impact Angle: 45 degrees
  • Target Density: 1500 kg/m3
  • Target Type: Crystalline Rock


My impact velocity is greater, and my projectile diameter is massively greater.
 
russ_watters said:
HERE it is. It doesn't say anything about a tsunami unfortunately, but putting in a 1400ft object at 8 miles/sec velocity gives a 5.5 earthquake 100 miles from the impact point. I think that's in the ballpark, if a little smaller, than what was felt from this earthquake.

Great site, thanks!
 
If it hit in 2000 feet of water and near the coast it would be much much worse.
 
hitssquad said:
Projectile Diameter: 4000.00 m = 13120.00 ft = 2.48 miles

Double check the math? An asteroid that size would cause global (not regional) devastation. (comparison: The KT-event object was about 6 miles wide.)

A UK report on near-earth object hazards (Sept 2000) predicts significant tsunamis from an 200-300 meter asteroid. It predicts global-scale tsunamis for 1.7 km objects
see chapter 3 of http://www.nearearthobjects.co.uk/report/resources_task_intro.cfm
 
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russ_watters said:
HERE it is. It doesn't say anything about a tsunami unfortunately, but putting in a 1400ft object at 8 miles/sec velocity gives a 5.5 earthquake 100 miles from the impact point. I think that's in the ballpark, if a little smaller, than what was felt from this earthquake.

From my (admittedly limited) understanding of mega-tsunami, and especially those predicted from asteroid impact, the wave caused by this projectile would be much larger than the wave that would result from an earthquake of equal force. This is because the asteroid "tunnels" through the water down to the bottom, displacing large amounts of water and leaving empty space. This phenomenon has been verified in laboratory models and by evidence from sites where mega-tsunami have been generated by landslides.
 
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LURCH said:
From my (admittedly limited) understanding of mega-tsunami, and especially those predicted from asteroid impact, the wave caused by this project would be much larger than the wave that would result from an earthquake of equal force. This is because the asteroid "tunnels" through the water down to the bottom, displacing large amounts of water and leaving empty space. This phenomenon has been verified in laboratory models and by evidence from sites where mega-tsunami have been generated by landslides.
You're probably right - the mechanism is different. I wish the site would say something about tsunamis.
 
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Allegro said:

Many thanks, great paper.

In the 'timline' graph, at time 40 seconds, the peak of splash appears to be vertically intact?..I would have thought the splash would have sent a volume of water that , excuse the wording 'takes-off'?

I have seen experiment footage in a slowed-down manner of milk? droplets, that send liquid globules high into the air, a volume/globular of water that must come back down to Earth with an added splashdown effect?

I presume that any dispersed liquid can only maintain its volume up to a certain 'globular' size?..so the macro effects would be more of a 'spray'?
 
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Hello WHP,

Indeed, in the graph it just '' looks'' that the peak is vertically intact.
However, the horizontally and vertically scales of the graph are not the same,
that is, the horizontal scale is ± 1cm=8 km and the vertical scale is
± 1cm=4km.

So in fact, when using equal scales, the figure should be stretched out twice in horizontal direction.
But even then, looking at an amplitude of 2200 m,that's a very big wave!

The same, and even much more,is the case in the figures on page 21 of the paper.
The horizontal scale use here is ± 1cm=4.5 km and the vertical scale is ±1cm =1 km.
 

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