EM Waves, SONAR, Diffraction, Charge Transfer, and Electric Force

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The discussion revolves around various concepts related to electromagnetic (EM) waves, SONAR, diffraction, charge transfer, and electric force. Participants explore the properties and behaviors of these phenomena, including their applications and underlying principles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether EM waves can only be reflected by metal surfaces, noting that non-metallic surfaces can also reflect light.
  • There is a discussion about SONAR and its effectiveness compared to radio waves, with some participants suggesting that sound waves are better suited for underwater use due to their propagation properties.
  • Participants explore the process of charge transfer through rubbing materials, indicating that the resulting charge depends on the materials' properties.
  • There is a debate about diffraction, with some asserting it occurs only with parallel wavefronts, while others argue it can happen with any wavefront.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the relationship between electric force and electrostatic force, with distinctions drawn about their definitions and contexts.
  • Questions arise about the effects of placing metal in a microwave oven, with differing views on the consequences and underlying physics involved.
  • Participants inquire about the reflection of various types of EM radiation by non-metal substances, leading to discussions about frequency dependence and material properties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on several topics, including the nature of diffraction, the effectiveness of SONAR versus radar, and the behavior of EM waves with different materials. The discussion remains unresolved on these points.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions and contexts, such as the types of materials discussed in relation to charge transfer and the conditions under which diffraction occurs. The discussion also highlights the complexity of interactions between different types of EM radiation and materials.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals studying physics, particularly in areas related to wave phenomena, electromagnetism, and materials science.

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~5 qestions~

1. EM wave can be reflected by metal surface only. Right?
2. SONAR can be reflected by any materials. Right?
3. Diffraction only occur when parallel wavefront(not circular wavefront) passes through the gap. Right?
4. After we use cloth to rub some substances, some are positive charged or negative charged. Why?
5. electric force = electrostatic force?
 
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7bear said:
1. EM wave can be reflected by metal surface only. Right?
We see the moon because the light from the sun reflects on its (non-metallic) surface. You see your surounding at night in your house because the light from the light bulb reflects on everything and enters your eye. Unless you meant something else by the question, here's your answer I guess. :smile:
 
4. The rubbing causes electrons to be transferred from one material to another, leaving the material with fewer electrons with a net positive charge,and the material that gained electrons with a net negative charge. This buildup of static charge is possible only with insulators (dielectrics). In conductors, electrons would continue to flow around until everything was equalized. Whether a substance is more likely to lose or to gain electrons depends on its particular properties.

5. Talk about the fields that produce the forces: electrostatic fields are produced by stationary source charges, or by charge distributions whose charge density is constant with time. As I understand it, the term "electric field" is more general, referring to the field produce by any charge, whether in motion or not.
 
cepheid said:
4. The rubbing causes electrons to be transferred from one material to another, leaving the material with fewer electrons with a net positive charge,and the material that gained electrons with a net negative charge. This buildup of static charge is possible only with insulators (dielectrics). In conductors, electrons would continue to flow around until everything was equalized. Whether a substance is more likely to lose or to gain electrons depends on its particular properties.

5. Talk about the fields that produce the forces: electrostatic fields are produced by stationary source charges, or by charge distributions whose charge density is constant with time. As I understand it, the term "electric field" is more general, referring to the field produce by any charge, whether in motion or not.

4. Whether a substance is more likely to lose or to gain electrons depends on its particular properties
Do u have any examples of those properties?

I have 2 more question.
1. Why do we use sound wave as SONAR, not radio wave? If we use radio wave, what will happen?
2. Why don't we put metal in oven? If we do so, what will happen?
 
quasar987 said:
We see the moon because the light from the sun reflects on its (non-metallic) surface. You see your surounding at night in your house because the light from the light bulb reflects on everything and enters your eye. Unless you meant something else by the question, here's your answer I guess. :smile:

u have explained that visible light can be reflected by non-metal substances.
How about others(i.e. radio wave, microwave, infra-red, ultraviolet, X-ray, gamma ray)? Can they be reflected by non-metal substances?
 
"Why don't we put metal in oven? If we do so, what will happen?"

I presume you mean microwave oven? The metal is very reactive to microwaves, and some of the metal will vapourize. You see this as a spark/flash. If you take the metal out and examine it, you will find pits where the metal has vapourized.



"How about others(i.e. radio wave, microwave, infra-red, ultraviolet, X-ray, gamma ray)? Can they be reflected by non-metal substances?"

Yes. Generally, the higher energy EM will get through the material more. What doesn't get through will be partially absorbed and converted to heat. Some will be reflected.

eg: you will sunburn faster when playing in the surf than when on the shore. Why? Because you are receiving twice as much sunlight (UV) from the surface of the water.
 
I presume you mean microwave oven? The metal is very reactive to microwaves, and some of the metal will vapourize. You see this as a spark/flash. If you take the metal out and examine it, you will find pits where the metal has vapourized.
Sorry Dave,
This is not very accurate.


Microwaves induce currents in metal, this is seen by the microwave source as a large load (very low resistance) it is possible that these unexpected currents can damage the microwave source.

The sparks will form at any edges or points, as they tend to be concentrators of charge.

As for your other list of interactions, there are really simply to many variables to give a useful answer. The answer must be "It depends"

The reason we have sonar, is that sound waves are carried by water much better then radio waves, in addition, much of "sonar" is passive, that is they simply listen without transmitting.

Radar is much longer ranged and is only useful in the atmosphere (or above).
 
7bear said:
3. Diffraction only occur when parallel wavefront(not circular wavefront) passes through the gap. Right?
5. electric force = electrostatic force?

3. Diffraction can happen with any wavefront.
5. An electrostatic force is an electric force that does not vary with time.
 
7bear said:
1. Why do we use sound wave as SONAR, not radio wave? If we use radio wave, what will happen?
Because the "S" stands for sound and the "R" for radio. Otherwise, they are pretty similar concepts. If you mean how do you choose whether to use sonar or radar, that was hit already. One little expansion: you can use sonar out of the water though: a large number of industrial sensors are sonar (I bought my parents an ultrasonic stoplight for their garage - it measures how far your car is from the wall).
u have explained that visible light can be reflected by non-metal substances.
How about others(i.e. radio wave, microwave, infra-red, ultraviolet, X-ray, gamma ray)? Can they be reflected by non-metal substances?
Some yes, some no. And its even frequency dependent within the different classes - ie, some frequencies of radio waves will be reflected by other materials.
 
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