Solving Wave-Related Trouble in Physics

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The discussion revolves around understanding standing waves created by a vibrating guitar string, specifically focusing on identifying the correct graphical representation of these waves in their fundamental mode. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the definitions of wavelength and the characteristics of standing waves.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the definitions of wavelength, questioning whether it is measured from node to node or from antinode to antinode. There is also exploration of which graphical representations correspond to the fundamental mode of vibration.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their interpretations of the graphs and the definitions involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the characteristics of standing waves, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct answer or interpretation of the graphs.

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There is mention of a missing attachment that is crucial for visual reference, which may impact the clarity of the discussion. The original poster also notes potential translation issues with terminology.

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Hello,

I've been working out this question but I'm not sure about the answer. It relates to waves, which is something I've yet to deal with in school. It says:

When you disturb a guitar string you'll create a standing wave in its fundamental sound. Three students draw the shape of the string and different instances, as shown by the graph(...see attachment?), admitting that the string vibrates in its fundamental sound (...fundamental frequency?).

Out of these figures, the correct one is...

a. 3, because nodes are formed at the ends of the string
b. 1 and 2, because the represent the initial wave and its reflection
c. 2 and 3, because the fulfill the conditions of the fundamental mode
d. only 1, because it's the only one that shows a complete wavelength

(I just translated this --no quick-translator, mind you-- so pardon me if some terms are a bit off --I did research some, like standing wave and wavelength, though...)

Now, after doing some research on the net and reading my Wilson's physics for a bit, I had come to the conclusion that you can't appreciate a complete wavelength on the firs graph... I though wavelength was the distance between two antinodes, but alas, it seems it isn't... I've found somewhere else that wavelength is actually node-to-node. What's the correct form? :confused:

a. doesn't mean anything . That leaves b and c (and... d?). Since a guitar string can have various harmonics, both would be partially correct... however, I've come to the conclusion that the first graph is incorrect! It's not a complete harmonic (it should look like two horizontal ovals, right?). That'd leave c, right? I'm not too sure, and that's why I'm asking :smile:

So, I'd appreciate if you folks could help me. Thanks in advance.
 
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Great_White said:
I though wavelength was the distance between two antinodes, but alas, it seems it isn't... I've found somewhere else that wavelength is actually node-to-node. What's the correct form?

I don't think this really matters. According to http://www.wave-guide.org/archives/waveguide_3/glossary.html, a wavelength is the distance between two consecutive points on a sinusoidal wave that are in phase; measured in meters.e

edit: BTW, your attachment is nowhere to be seen.
 
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OH c'mon! Gimme a couple of minutes to find the image...
 
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/beto2/wave.bmp
that should help...
 
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BTW, recon, the "OH c'mon" thing wasn't directed at you, it was annoyance toward the non-working attachment...

(thought I'd clarify...)
 
The top picture, to me, looks like 2f of the middle picture. I would venture to say that it is 1 and 2 because the two show the first and second modes of the natural frequency.
 

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