Why Did Heavier Masses Fall Faster in My Atwood's Machine Experiment?

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The discussion revolves around an Atwood's machine experiment aimed at investigating the effect of mass on the speed of falling bodies. The original poster notes an unexpected observation that heavier masses fall faster, which contradicts the commonly understood principle that objects fall at the same rate regardless of weight.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore potential sources of error, such as pulley mass and air resistance, while questioning the original poster's setup and assumptions. Some participants provide insights into the dynamics of the system, discussing the role of net force and mass ratios.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering various perspectives on the factors influencing the results. Some guidance has been provided regarding the neglect of pulley mass and the implications of mass ratios on acceleration, but there is no explicit consensus on the original poster's observations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original poster used lumps of clay with the same surface area to minimize air resistance, and there is an ongoing examination of the assumptions regarding the pulley system's mass and frictional forces.

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I used atwoods machine to test the affect of mass on the speed of falling bodies. My research said objects fall at the same rate no matter their weight. When I tested this on Atwoods machine heavier masses fell faster. Can someone tell me why?
 
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Is this what you're referring to? Atwood's machine

Did you neglect pully mass?
 
From the pictures I looked at, on some of the larger machines air resistance would play a minor (but still calculatable). This and the mass of the pully and the tension/strechting of the string would all contribute greatly to a source of error.
 
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I used a similar machine. Mine had two pulleys. I would not think pulley mass would have an effect because I used the same pulley and set up for each mass I dropped. I first balanced two masses. then I added 5 grams of weight to one side and measured the time it took to fall 1 meter. I then added 5 more grams and measured the time it took to fall 1 meter. the heavier the mass the less time it took to fall.
 
air resistance not be a source of error because I used lumps of clay with the same surface area.
 
rstaniec said:
I first balanced two masses. then I added 5 grams of weight to one side and measured the time it took to fall 1 meter. I then added 5 more grams and measured the time it took to fall 1 meter. the heavier the mass the less time it took to fall.
The greater the mass difference, the greater the net force acting on the two masses. As the mass difference approaches infinity, the acceleration approaches g. What else would you expect? It is not an error! These masses are constrained (they are attached to each other via a pulley); they are not freely falling. Check out the link that Q_Goest provided.
 
Adding to Doc Al's comment, I must say:
1) Your argument for why you can neglect the pulley mass is completely wrong.
You can do so only if
a) Frictional forces are negligible ("reasonable")
EDIT: That is, about the axis.
AND
b) the effective mass of the pulley (i.e, its moment of inertia divided by its squared radius) is much smaller than the sum of the two masses.

This is quite a different statement than yours.

2) Secondly, Q-Guest's link shows that (given that you may neglect the pulley mass) if the mass RATIO is constant, then the acceleration remains constant as well.
That is something you ought to verify (I doubt you'll be able to disprove it)
 
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