Integrating Rational Functions: How to Solve Challenging Integrals?

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of integrating a specific rational function, with participants sharing various methods and approaches they have attempted or propose. The focus includes theoretical aspects of integration techniques and the difficulties encountered with certain substitutions and decompositions.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express frustration with the integral, noting that it cannot be factorized into simple fractions due to its non-rational nature.
  • One participant suggests using the Heaviside Method and proposes a substitution involving trigonometric functions, but another participant challenges the effectiveness of this approach.
  • Another method proposed involves using the t-substitution (t=tan(x/2)), which some participants claim leads to a solvable form of the integral.
  • Participants debate the validity of the decomposition used in the integration attempts, with some asserting that it is incorrect and leads to irrational forms.
  • One participant claims to have arrived at a solution using a specific manipulation of the integral, while another expresses skepticism about the validity of the proposed methods.
  • There is a discussion about the applicability of the partial fractions technique, with participants clarifying that it is limited to rational functions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method for solving the integral, with multiple competing views and approaches presented. Disagreement exists regarding the validity of certain techniques and the effectiveness of proposed substitutions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their approaches, such as the non-rational nature of the function and the challenges posed by square roots in the denominator. There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the validity of various integration techniques.

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Readers interested in advanced integration techniques, particularly those involving rational functions and trigonometric substitutions, may find this discussion relevant.

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How do I solve this integral?? (it's in the attachment)
(my-efforts.gif just explains a failed attempt)
 

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I've struggled with it and i couldn't come up with an answer.All i can tell u is that it cannot be factorized (decomposed in simple fractions) because it's not rational.The square in the denominator is the most annoying... :mad:

Daniel.
 
Wait..sorry neverm0nd----i found a solution!

Just use the Heaviside Method and make A, B, C--

substitute x= cos (theta)
and that dx= -sin (theta)
and then divide by the -sin (theta) as -(1-x^2)
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put A/((3-2x)^2)+B/((1+x)^(1/2))+C/((1-x)^(1/2),
then solve using heaviside
 
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I told u it doesn't work...
[tex]\int \frac{d\theta}{(3-2\cos\theta)^{2}}[/tex]
,via the substitution
[tex]\cos\theta\rightarrow x[/tex]
becomes
[tex]-\int \frac{dx}{\sqrt{1-x^{2}}(3-2x)^{2}}[/tex]
which is very irrational.

So your
[tex]\frac{A}{(3-2x)^{2}}+\frac{B}{\sqrt{1-x}}+\frac{C}{\sqrt{1+x}}[/tex]
doesn't lead anywhere.

Daniel.
 
Use t method? (i.e. set t=tan(x/2), such that cos(x)=(1-t^2)/(1+t^2))
 
Inquisitive_Mind said:
Use t method? (i.e. set t=tan(x/2), such that cos(x)=(1-t^2)/(1+t^2))

This is the right way. I got to a solution like this. Besides the new differential shall be 2dt/(1+t²). Then you can manipulate this integral so that you will get two integrals. One of them is elementary (arcustangens)and the other one can be soved with partial integration...


Just try it...

remember with manipulation i mean something like this [tex]\frac {1+t^2}{(1+5t^2)^2} = \frac{1+ 5t^2}{(1+5t^2)^2} + \frac{-4t^2}{(1+5t^2)^2}[/tex]


marlon
 
dextercioby said:
I told u it doesn't work...
[tex]\int \frac{d\theta}{(3-2\cos\theta)^{2}}[/tex]
,via the substitution
[tex]\cos\theta\rightarrow x[/tex]
becomes
[tex]-\int \frac{dx}{\sqrt{1-x^{2}}(3-2x)^{2}}[/tex]
which is very irrational.

So your
[tex]\frac{A}{(3-2x)^{2}}+\frac{B}{\sqrt{1-x}}+\frac{C}{\sqrt{1+x}}[/tex]
doesn't lead anywhere.

Daniel.

And besides this decomposition is even wrong. You did not apply the rules correctly...But drop it because it is useless here and certainly with the sqrt you CANNOT do this !

marlon
 
I knew the decomposition was wrong,i told him that substitution would lead nowhere.
Anyways,my result is
[tex]\int \frac{d\theta}{(3-2\cos\theta)^{2}}=\frac{4}{5}\frac{\tan\frac{\theta}{2}}{1+5\tan^{2}\frac{\theta}{2}}+\frac{6\sqrt{5}}{25}\arctan(\sqrt{5}\tan\frac{\theta}{2})+C[/tex]

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
I knew the decomposition was wrong,i told him that substitution would lead nowhere.
Anyways,my result is
[tex]\int \frac{d\theta}{(3-2\cos\theta)^{2}}=\frac{4}{5}\frac{\tan\frac{\theta}{2}}{1+5\tan^{2}\frac{\theta}{2}}+\frac{6\sqrt{5}}{25}\arctan(\sqrt{5}\tan\frac{\theta}{2})+C[/tex]

Daniel.


You see, my trick worked...

marlon
 
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Does the partial fractions technique work only for rational functions?
But yeah, my decomposition was wrong (now i see!)
 
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Since only rational functions are fractions, yes, partial fractions only works for rational functions!
 

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