Finding Induced Current Density (J) in a Cylinder under a Magnetic Field

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The discussion revolves around finding the induced current density (J) in a solid cylinder subjected to a time-varying magnetic field along its axis. The parameters include the cylinder's length, radius, and conductivity, with a focus on how these relate to the induced current density as a function of the distance from the axis.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the setup of the problem, questioning whether the cylinder is hollow and its implications. They discuss relevant laws of electromagnetism, particularly Faraday's law, and the relationship between magnetic flux, induced voltage, and current density. There is confusion regarding the definition of current density and the cross-sectional area in this context.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the equations presented, particularly regarding the validity of a specific equation for current density. There is an ongoing exploration of the behavior of currents within the cylinder, with differing opinions on how they are distributed and the factors influencing them. The discussion is active, with participants seeking clarification and deeper understanding of the underlying principles.

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Participants note the lack of clarity regarding the cylinder's physical characteristics, such as whether it is hollow and its thickness. There is also mention of the need to clarify the cross-sectional area relevant to the current density calculation.

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Given a cylinder of length L, radius a and conductivity sigma, how does one find the induced currenty density (J) as a function of p when a magnetic field B is applied?

Where p is the distance from the axis of the cylinder and B is applied along the axis of the cylinder, B = Bosin(wt).

(Neglecting any additional fields due to the induced current)

Hence, how does one calculate the power dissipated in the cylinder?

Thanks
Denis
 
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denislemenoir said:
Given a cylinder of length L, radius a and conductivity sigma, how does one find the induced currenty density (J) as a function of p when a magnetic field B is applied?
I am confused by the setup here. Is it a hollow cylinder? If so, what is its thickness?

I can't help answer your question until I clarify the problem. But consider these questions:

Which law applies here? (Hint it is not Ampere's law or either of Gauss' laws).

What is the flux and the rate of change of flux through the area enclosed by the the cylinder? How is that related to the induced voltage? How is that related to the current and conductivity (and length and area)?

I am a little confused about the current density (J=I/A) in this case because I am not sure what the cross sectional area is.

What direction does the current flow?

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
I am confused by the setup here. Is it a hollow cylinder? If so, what is its thickness?

I can't help answer your question until I clarify the problem. But consider these questions:

Which law applies here? (Hint it is not Ampere's law or either of Gauss' laws).

What is the flux and the rate of change of flux through the area enclosed by the the cylinder? How is that related to the induced voltage? How is that related to the current and conductivity (and length and area)?

I am a little confused about the current density (J=I/A) in this case because I am not sure what the cross sectional area is.

What direction does the current flow?

AM

Hi, the cylinder is not hollow. I tried initially to use Faraday's law of EM induction and all the equations of J I knew, such as...

grad(J) + dD/dt = 0 [where D is the displacement]
and J = -conductivity*grad(potential)

However, I just couldn't get anywhere with them.

I know the solution is J = 0.5*sigma*p*w*Bocoswt [1] [given]

which implies J = 0.5*p*sigma*dB/dt [2]

but I don't understand why equation [2] is true, I've never seen it before. The radius is a, but clearly the cross-sectional area is not relevant here. I'm sure this problem has a very simple explanation, but it escapes me!

Thanks
Denis
 
I'm not very convinced that Eq. (2) can really describe the currents inside the cylinder. It seems that currents are very strong at the surface of the cylinder and zero on its axis (because of the proportionality with respect to p).

In my opinion, the problem seems a classical Foucault problem. The variable axial magnetic field induces a (circular/circumferential) electric field. This field will induce circular currents (Foucault) inside the cylinder, currents whose radii depend on the magnetic field amplitude and frequency and are uniformly distributed in the volume of the cylinder. The solution must be independent of the cylinder dimensions unless the cylinder is very small and induces limitations in electrons' motion (like the foils of an AC transformer).
 

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